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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by notyourday »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #195
martin_a wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I cannot understand this way of thinking. I want Mozilla to build a browser and a mail program. Nothing else. It's easy as that. And if I have to "fear" that they will use my money to build something else, I will not donate to them. Think of them as a company with several products. People would buy Firefox, they would buy Thunderbird, but probably nobody would buy the aforementioned "moz://" product or Pocket. In a…

> I want Mozilla to build a browser and a mail program. Nothing else. It's easy as that. Then buy Mozilla, the company, or buy FF/mail server devs to do it. By donating to mozilla you are actually supporting at least one effort Mozilla is participating in. If their revenue goes down after pursuing Pocket, then Mozilla will understand in general their donors don’t approve of pocket. On another coin, by not donating to…

Donate restricted fund and restricted funds only.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by owl57 »

interactivecode wrote: post #68
skocznymroczny wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

"…as the chairman of cultural department of our house..."

"Chairwoman," Philip Philipovich corrected her.

"Would like to ask you," at this point the woman pulled out of her coat-front a few brightly coloured journals, still damp from the snow, "to take a few journals sold for the benefit of German children. 50 kopecks each."

"No, thank you," replied Philip Philipovich briefly, glancing at the journals.

The four indicated total amazement and the woman went the colour of cranberry juice.

"Why do you refuse?"

"I don't want them."

"You have no sympathy for the children of Germany?"

"On the contrary."

"You grudge fifty copecks?"

"No."

"Why then?"

"I don't want them."

-- "The Heart of a Dog", Mikhail Bulgakov

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by paulcarroty »

After couple of days with Brave/Chromium testing on my Linux machines, I definitely should say: Firefox is really SLOW, it feels without any benchmarks.

So, Mozilla has two ways:

1. Build a really fast browser. 2. Die as Internet Explorer.

It's realistic way to handle things. People don't care about privacy in general, browser is too complex to build for privacy/security activists only. Time to focus on business instead promoting services like Pocket & including Google analytics in addons page.

Do or die.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

hgoel wrote: post #253
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the usual line, that assume no qualified minority candidates exist . Which is, at root, a biased assumption already. E.g. Stanford (used to) vigorously recruited qualified minority candidates to help improve diversity on campus.

Isn't explicitly choosing based on their race also making the same assumptions? That there aren't enough minority candidates, and thus they need to explicitly force more of them in? After all, why would there be any bias if selections were completely merit based (that is, blind to race and sex) unless the pools being drawn from were themselves biased? The best way to get around biases in the hiring process obviously…

Its sophistry, to say "to combat race bias, you are using race bias! That's just as bad!"

Of course one is in service to bigotry, and the other to equality. That makes them pretty different.

If you're driving down the road, and your car pulls slightly to the right, you steer slightly to the left to compensate. Sure, we'd all like a car that steers straight. But it doesn't. So we steer slightly to one side.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by arriu »

paulcarroty wrote: post #263

After couple of days with Brave/Chromium testing on my Linux machines, I definitely should say: Firefox is really SLOW , it feels without any benchmarks. So, Mozilla has two ways: 1. Build a really fast browser. 2. Die as Internet Explorer. It's realistic way to handle things. People don't care about privacy in general, browser is too complex to build for privacy/security activists only. Time to focus on business ins…

It's not always Firefox's fault. Some websites literally serve different HTML to Firefox, Google services are a good example.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by falcolas »

throwaway8941 wrote: post #11
distant_hat wrote: post #9

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I did that a year back though I do miss a few things. One major one is task manager. Being able to identify rogue tabs is useful. Also, in general Firefox uses a lot more resources compared to Chrome. Another is the ability to smoothly zoom in/out of pages. But overall, the privacy benefits are easily worth it.

>task manager about:performance

It's even easier now:

Hamburger->More->Task Manager

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by falcolas »

nightfly wrote: post #71
newscracker wrote: post #45

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That's what I do too. I believe that the more the people who don't tolerate this nonsense (and tell others to do likewise when possible), the quicker we can achieve positive change for everyone. And by "positive change" I mean challengers to Chrome and Google's attitude of bulldozing things (including invading privacy).

That doesn't convey to site owners /why/ you left. You need to tell them. From their perspective they'll just see an even lower percentage of Firefox users and maybe make even less effort to support it.

They should be able to tell from logs and analytics. "Users with a user agent of firefox hit our page but bounce out immediately".

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by hanniabu »

Grumbledour wrote: post #233
hanniabu wrote: post #36

A big reason why I stick with Chrome is because Firefox's menu pisses me off how it's this popup box with huge icon rather than Chrome's more traditional list of text. Sounds stupid, but that's a big enough reason for me.

I guess it just shows your privacy is not that important to you, which seems always to be the point with many posters here who, while complaining loudly about google, present rather minor reasons why they can't use firefox ever. That being said, while I vaguely remember there being huge icons at some point for a few versions, there aren't any now in my Firefox. Just a normal looking menu with small icons on the left…

This is like saying that somebody doesn't care about privacy if they don't PGP encrypt all their emails and messages. Convenience is always a factor.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Post by jshowa3 »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #57
newscracker wrote: post #55

Those who want a world where Firefox has a higher market share and mind share, please consider doing the following: 1. Evangelize Firefox to people you know any chance you get and show them all the reasons why its better than Chrome (focus on privacy as an important point). Show them how great browsing can be with a few key extensions (like uBlock Origin, Containers, Privacy Possum, etc.). This does not imply that Mo…

Is there some way to ensure the donation money will actually go to Firefox and not to some sort of "diversity" campaign?

In most donations, you're donating to the product as a whole. There's no way to ever know where your money explicitly goes. At least I've never seen a charity operate that way.

Even if you did donate to development, development is not averse to administration, marketing, hiring, and diversity. And developers are not spending time at Firefox getting the product in the hands of people so it can get better with feedback. Marketing and all the other areas you find "problematic" are trying to do that.

Either way, even if your money doesn't go where you want it, that's a bad reason to not donate considering there's no indication that their product is substantially inferior to competition, they're making hugely poor decisions, etc.

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