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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by diegoholiveira »

dymk wrote: post #57
rhcom2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

> The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services.

Yes!

One thing that help to increase mass shootings and suicide was the anti-asylum movement. many people who clearly are a danger to himself and others should be hospitalized. unfortunately asylum got a bad reputation for inhumane treatments, but modern psychiatric treatment is completely different that the past inhumane treatments.

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Post by jakeogh »

TheArcane wrote: post #97
mieseratte wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

> when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? At least that's what they're for in my part of the world.

Are you going to ask the attacker to pause and wait 5+ minutes?

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Post by chasd00 »

thinkcontext wrote: post #81

A pet peeve of mine is the noble suicide trope used often in film and tv. Armageddon, Aliens, Endgame, 7 Pounds, its everywhere. I haven't seen any research but I imagine it could normalize suicide in the minds of the impressionable young. I get that's its an effective (though artistically blunt) plot device but I would prefer that it be used less.

lots of heroic stories result in the death of the hero. I suppose suicide is technically correct but the story is a heroic sacrifice not a suicide.

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Post by duxup »

csharpminor wrote: post #128
duxup wrote: post #48

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NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

Could you link to a source? This is interesting to me but I'd like to know more about their method for arriving at those conclusions. I wasn't able to find the article/study you're referencing.

I'll do some searching. I know it was on NPR, and within the last 3 years.

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

giggles_giggles wrote: post #102
duxup wrote: post #48

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NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

> They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human.

If you're going to kill someone, actually take a person's life, the way mass shooters do, you can't possibly feel like that person is human. It's probably different for, say, a one off killing where it's more personal, or a serial killer who's projecting. But a cowardly shooter walking around killing people, they've completely convinced themselves the people they're killing aren't people, aren't human, are just targets.

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Post by seiferteric »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #92
mieseratte wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

It will always be weird to me that threatening to murder other citizens for some vague, ill-defined hypothetical transgression is a mainstream, mostly accepted political viewpoint here in the US.

It's really not about that. The US was founded by a revolution that required guns. The founders wanted to make sure the same thing could happen again if needed. The second amendment isn't about personal protection, it is about the right to overthrow a government (ours or an invading one) if necessary. You can argue that times have changed or whatever but that was clearly the intention and it hasn't changed much.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

malandrew wrote: post #118
ggreer wrote: post #69

The full text is on Sci-hub: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jaac.2019.04.020 I'm extremely skeptical. I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rates at the right time. Also, the show is about a girl who kills herself, but the female rate of suicide didn't increase enough to be considered statistically significant. Lastly, the spike in suicid…

Maybe I missed it in the article, but did they check the Netflix viewing history of those that committed suicide. Seems like that would be a critical causal link. If a show about suicide is available on Netflix and no one is around to watch it...

No, all of the data is just taken from the standard CDC reports.

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Post by Spivak »

yifanl wrote: post #91
sbierwagen wrote: post #61

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack 87 deaths from a truck ramming attack. The existing licensing system was obviously insufficient to prevent this attack. What do you suggest be done to prevent attacks like this in the future?

I'm not sure how this is at all a relevant response?

Because if your goal is to prevent mass killings then you have to take into account that a vehicle is a viable substitute for a gun.

I'm in favor of gun control but I don't think it's clear whether it would actually make it meaningfully harder for people who want to kill lots of people indiscriminately-ish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of...

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Post by kazinator »

TheArcane wrote: post #97
mieseratte wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

> when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights Isn't that what highly trained and professional law enforcement is for? At least that's what they're for in my part of the world.

That's what they are for if they are in the right place at the right time.

In a situation in which you have to shoot someone to save yourself, it's implicitly understood that the law enforcement won't be there for at least another 15 minutes.

Also, who will call them? You may have to shoot your opponent first, just to be able to call the police. At least in the leg or something, if killing makes you squeamish.

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Post by umvi »

lukifer wrote: post #99
TheArcane wrote: post #20

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> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

It's an interesting thought experiment: set aside the complex details of our real-world weaponry, and imagine instead of guns we had low-power phasers when the Bill of Rights was conceived. Now, imagine those phasers get 1% more powerful every year. At what point should we do decide that a phaser at power level X is too destructive for civilian use? While I'm sympathetic to the argument of weaponry as a balance-of-po…

I mean, we've kind of drawn the line at "automatic" vs. "semi-automatic" and "explosive" vs. "non-explosive".

It's "too powerful" for civilians if it's fully automatic or explosive (RPGs, hand grenades, bombs, etc.)

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