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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by notus »

umvi wrote: post #10
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

Plenty of other modern and progressive countries have what we would consider limits on constitutional freedoms. Americans need to give up on their obsession with the constitution, we're like the only country in the world that cares about their constitution. I predict this century is going to be marked as a transformation from "Free Speech" to "Free Speech, except..." and we're going to be a lot better off for it. Absolute freedoms make about as much sense as viewing morality as black and white.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by giggles_giggles »

duxup wrote: post #48
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

I'm surprised that what shooters like/do not like can be generalized like this. I would have expected that it was more dependent upon the specific psychology of the shooter than this.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by umvi »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #85
dymk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

50% of suicide in the USA are via firearms, 2.4% are by falling (off bridges or other structures). Focusing on lowering the 2.4% number is not going to be as effective as focusing on the 50% one. https://www.sprc.org/means-suicide It turns out more willpower/commitment is needed to jump off a bridge than pull a trigger. The same with stabbing or suffocating yourself. Yes, someone with lots of willpower/commitment wil…

Yeah, but lowering the 50% one will increase usage of the other methods significantly. The US isn't magically going to have insanely low suicide rates if you make guns illegal. Sad/depressed/broken people are still sad/depressed/broken (nothing has changed on that front). There will be a slight drop in overall suicides and a very large increase in non-firearm suicide attempts (re: Japan).

Here's an idea that doesn't infringe on any rights: Mandate each handgun sale come with a free suicide prevention pamphlet. That would definitely lower suicide rates measurably at a low cost that everyone can agree on.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by TheArcane »

sbierwagen wrote: post #61
TheArcane wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack 87 deaths from a truck ramming attack. The existing licensing system was obviously insufficient to prevent this attack. What do you suggest be done to prevent attacks like this in the future?

This argument reeks of a cocktail of logical fallacies.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by mieseratte »

rhcom2 wrote: post #44
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional. "Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

> and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional.

What change(s) as relates to limiting the 2A would help to reduce suicide?

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by sigstoat »

ggreer wrote: post #69

The full text is on Sci-hub: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jaac.2019.04.020 I'm extremely skeptical. I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rates at the right time. Also, the show is about a girl who kills herself, but the female rate of suicide didn't increase enough to be considered statistically significant. Lastly, the spike in suicid…

> I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rate at the right time.

and they still reported 9 different categorizations (overall/male/female * 3 age groups), and could only find one with a change. it isn't clear to me if they corrected for the multiple comparisons they did report.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by Spivak »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #85
dymk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Access to bridges also increases the chances of successful suicide. The clear change that should be suggested is more proactive identification of mental illness and increased guaranteed access to mental health services. If that reads to you as nothing but "thoughts and prayers", I don't know what to say.

50% of suicide in the USA are via firearms, 2.4% are by falling (off bridges or other structures). Focusing on lowering the 2.4% number is not going to be as effective as focusing on the 50% one. https://www.sprc.org/means-suicide It turns out more willpower/commitment is needed to jump off a bridge than pull a trigger. The same with stabbing or suffocating yourself. Yes, someone with lots of willpower/commitment wil…

Because suicide via firearms is the painless route. If you were going to kill yourself why wouldn't you do it with a gun.

You have to be prepared for legislation like this only slightly decrease the number of suicides but drastically increase the suffering of the people that do.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by nightfly »

kaonashi wrote: post #58
slg wrote: post #54

>When researchers analyzed the data by sex, they found the increase in the suicide rate was primarily driven by significant increases in suicide in young males. "13 Reasons Why" was a show about the suicide of a young girl and was primarily aimed at a young female audience. If the studies numbers were primarily driven by an increase in suicides among young males, the causation implied seems rather dubious.

You don't think young men can find young women influencing?

The viewership of 13 reasons why was 65% female, 35% male.

The show would have to a have an inordinately, disproportionately, strong impact on males to cause almost a 29% increase in male suicides, but a non statistically significant increase in female suicides with that viewership distribution.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by pessimizer »

It's a show that (at least from the title, and a quick summary of the plot) agrees with the common, awful idea that what people do to you can make you kill yourself, and that killing yourself will somehow punish the people who made you do it. You would expect it to increase teen suicides as much as you would expect a slickly produced show about a suicide bombing in a shopping mall causing an unjust government to fall and the bomber to be remembered forever as a hero to increase suicide bombings.
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