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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by dhimes »

tomjen3 wrote: post #152
misiti3780 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you dont use gmail or google apps for business? i think their mail and docs/sheets are not a risk. everything else i wouldnt place a bet on

Once I started doing just a little advanced stuff in Microsoft Word I realized how poor Google Doc is. You can't define your own style for crying out loud, you have to redefine an existing one.

Yeah- Google Doc's main advantage was sharability- especially for people who couldn't figure out how to deal with attachments or network servers.

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Post by ivanvanderbyl »

bla3 wrote: post #247
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

I agree that not becoming dependent on nascent Google projects is a good call for for consumers. But their cloud offering seems to be pretty stable and reliable. It feels almost as if their consumer and cloud arms are different companies.

I certainly hope this is true but I hold a healthy degree of skeptism when using one of their cloud products. This is unfortunate, because overall I've found GCP to be quite far ahead of AWS in terms of product design and integrations.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by leereeves »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #257
zelly wrote: post #252

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Everything they do besides _search_ is meant to distract you from the fact that they have an unchallenged monopoly far surpassing Standard Oil in the 1800s.

Standard Oil had ~90% of refined oil in the United States. Google generates ~63% of all searches [1], with Bing ~25%. I'd hardly call that unchallenged or Standard Oil sized. And as eyes move from search ads to places like Facebook or other platforms, they stand to lose more and more as they don't control where people are. Being so dependent on one source of revenue is very dangerous for them. Interesting fact: Rocke…

> Rockefeller's worth was 1-2% of US GDP, which in that metric would be $500 billion - $1 trillion now.

US GDP is around $20 trillion so 2% would be $400 billion.

Google is worth twice that with an $800 billion market cap, or 4% of US GDP.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by dekhn »

tempay wrote: post #240
robocat wrote: post #231

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> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

> Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!! Is caused by a special property of water? Or is it just the discontinuity arising from taking 0°C ice to 0°C water? If it's the latter it applies to all solid to liquid transitions (entropy of fusion).

phase transition is a discontinuity. water is "complicated" but yes, it's just a phase change.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by shusson »

jacob_rezi wrote: post #165
nateps wrote: post #132

I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

Wow cool to find you like this. We built a resume software which focuses exactly on working with ats ( https://rezi.io/ ) We plan to make resume formats specific to certain types of ATS, Lever being amongst the first we hope to work with. Any way this message can spark that conversation? Our users & hiring partners love the idea.

https://rezi.io is returning a 500 page :(

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by eitland »

smcl wrote: post #225
eitland wrote: post #203

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Look for companies like Basecamp, companies that arent looking to be aquired or get unicorn status but to stay soundly profitable year-after-year. This was one of the reasons I loved WhatsApp so much early on when that seemed to be the way it was going: a healthy >1B USD company with no dependency except on users. As the WhatsApp story and many other tells us this isn't always safe, but it should be a safer bet than…

Was WhatsApp healthy or profitable before it was bought by Facebook? I'm not sure if there's any way we can know for sure, but it all played out like a pretty standard Silicon Valley "unicorn" - couple of rounds of investment by a big VC followed by a mega-acquisition by a FAANG.

They had 400 million monthly active users in December 2013. At the same time they had 50 employees I think as well as modest server expenses.

They had signalled quite early that they where going to charge money, they had started charging money from at least a subset of users and they were still growing like crazy, 200 million monthly active users since april that year it seems based on the statistics I found.

To me that sounds profitable.

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Post by charlesdaniels »

leereeves wrote: post #263
ChrisLomont wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard Oil had ~90% of refined oil in the United States. Google generates ~63% of all searches [1], with Bing ~25%. I'd hardly call that unchallenged or Standard Oil sized. And as eyes move from search ads to places like Facebook or other platforms, they stand to lose more and more as they don't control where people are. Being so dependent on one source of revenue is very dangerous for them. Interesting fact: Rocke…

> Rockefeller's worth was 1-2% of US GDP, which in that metric would be $500 billion - $1 trillion now. US GDP is around $20 trillion so 2% would be $400 billion. Google is worth twice that with an $800 billion market cap, or 4% of US GDP.

I was curious and looked up some sources...

Here is the source on Google being 4% of US GDP: [0]

Rockefeller being worth 1-2% of US GDP is sourced from [1] on his Wikipedia page.

Math checks out.

More fun facts:

Apple is also around 4% [2].

Microsoft is around 5% [3].

Outside of the tech space...

Walmart is around 1.5% [4].

Goldman Sachs is around 0.35% [5].

McDonalds is at ~ 0.08% [6].

Boeing is hovering at about 1% [7].

0 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28google+market+cap%2...

1 - http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about...

2 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28apple+market+cap%29...

3 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28microsoft+market+ca...

4 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28walmart+market+cap%...

5 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28goldman+sachs+marke...

6 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28mcdonalds+market+ca...

7 - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28boeing+market+cap%2...

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by zelly »

charlesdaniels wrote: post #267
leereeves wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rockefeller's worth was 1-2% of US GDP, which in that metric would be $500 billion - $1 trillion now. US GDP is around $20 trillion so 2% would be $400 billion. Google is worth twice that with an $800 billion market cap, or 4% of US GDP.

I was curious and looked up some sources... Here is the source on Google being 4% of US GDP: [0] Rockefeller being worth 1-2% of US GDP is sourced from [1] on his Wikipedia page. Math checks out. More fun facts: Apple is also around 4% [2]. Microsoft is around 5% [3]. Outside of the tech space... Walmart is around 1.5% [4]. Goldman Sachs is around 0.35% [5]. McDonalds is at ~ 0.08% [6]. Boeing is hovering at about 1%…

This lines up with my intuition. 60% of search > 90% of oil. Search obviously also has no physical upper limit like oil utilization.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by lonelappde »

noahl wrote: post #254
tylerl wrote: post #194

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Bebop was an acqui-hire, not a real product. All they wanted was the CEO. I don't think anyone took the product seriously except for the person who started it, and once she left Google, there was no reason to continue pretending that it was a real thing.

The trouble is that if you have to understand or correctly guess internal Google politics like this in order to know which products you can really rely on, then it's effectively not reliable. With that said, I'd feel fine relying on VMs, disks, managed SQL, managed Kubernetes, etc. Maybe I'm too optimistic. And Google is giving exactly the guarantees they promised - 1 year of notice before shutting down a product.

Is there Takeout or equivalent for all your VM configs and persistent disks? How hard is it to flip between Google and AWS and back?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by nateps »

stuartleigh wrote: post #220
nateps wrote: post #132

I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

One of the biggest drivers for me picking google hire over Lever or Workable or one of the alternatives was the pricing model. By charging based on the size of the company and not the number of job slots it removed one of the biggest pains we had which was the constant juggling of putting specs live and archiving some as the priorities changed. £300 p/month for essentially unlimited slots was unbeatable. What is the…

Lever charges on company employee size as well! You can have as many job postings as makes most sense for your talent marketing / candidate experience.

Lever's G Suite integration for both calendaring and email is quite extensive. In addition, we have a feature called Easy Book that enables candidates to book their own interview times, especially useful for phone screens. Here's more with some screenshots: https://help.lever.co/hc/en-us/articles/360025622851-How-to-...

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