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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by tcpekin »

eitland wrote: post #232
robocat wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

Thanks! Do you have a better idea? Either another example or a better way to tell it so it becomes true? I guess I could start somewhere closer to 0°K, but that wouldn't mean much I guess?

I think your point was very well made, but to satisfy the people who comment on the energies required for phase change etc., you could just change it to very small temperature delta/difference, and be perfectly fine.

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Post by zelly »

n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Everything they do besides _search_ is meant to distract you from the fact that they have an unchallenged monopoly far surpassing Standard Oil in the 1800s.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by noahl »

tylerl wrote: post #194
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Bebop was an acqui-hire, not a real product. All they wanted was the CEO. I don't think anyone took the product seriously except for the person who started it, and once she left Google, there was no reason to continue pretending that it was a real thing.

The trouble is that if you have to understand or correctly guess internal Google politics like this in order to know which products you can really rely on, then it's effectively not reliable.

With that said, I'd feel fine relying on VMs, disks, managed SQL, managed Kubernetes, etc. Maybe I'm too optimistic. And Google is giving exactly the guarantees they promised - 1 year of notice before shutting down a product.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by stu432 »

bigiain wrote: post #84
pwinnski wrote: post #8

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The two positions don't seem to be in any conflict: I'm sure it is good for Google to shut these services down. I'm sure it does result in a leaner and more profitable company. The end result is still that Google cannot be trusted to keep any service running that isn't extremely profitable, and people who come to depend on these less-profitable services still end up orphaned.

This is the big difference for me. I can much more likely rely on a 10 person startup who're turning over, say 50mil and clearing a few mil a year of profit after all expenses. That's a stable reliable business. At Google, that's defined as "failure" and designed straight to the Google Graveyard. Even a 1 person startup making a few hundred thou per year is a better bet for me - I'd sooner have Pinboard as a critical…

A ten person startup, turning over 50 million, with a few million of profit??? Where do I sign up?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by sebe »

Androider wrote: post #205
rurban wrote: post #200

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What about to Go? Or Flutter? They are the best in their niche.

Go is probably pretty safe, but even internally at Google Flutter is still sort of flying under the radar and nobody knows (or cares) about it too much. But if leadership decides to take a look at what the heck is going on in that corner of the organization... that would be a hard one to explain.

I don't think Flutter is flying under the radar. From a 2018 tweet, which quotes the VP of design at the g.

“Flutter’s ability for real time UI iteration is a game changer in the way we polish and refine designs” - @MatiasDuarte https://twitter.com/FlutterDev/status/994658401132019712

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by ChrisLomont »

zelly wrote: post #252
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Everything they do besides _search_ is meant to distract you from the fact that they have an unchallenged monopoly far surpassing Standard Oil in the 1800s.

Standard Oil had ~90% of refined oil in the United States.

Google generates ~63% of all searches [1], with Bing ~25%. I'd hardly call that unchallenged or Standard Oil sized.

And as eyes move from search ads to places like Facebook or other platforms, they stand to lose more and more as they don't control where people are. Being so dependent on one source of revenue is very dangerous for them.

Interesting fact: Rockefeller's worth was 1-2% of US GDP, which in that metric would be $500 billion - $1 trillion now.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/267161/market-share-of-s...

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by Strom »

noahl wrote: post #254
tylerl wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bebop was an acqui-hire, not a real product. All they wanted was the CEO. I don't think anyone took the product seriously except for the person who started it, and once she left Google, there was no reason to continue pretending that it was a real thing.

The trouble is that if you have to understand or correctly guess internal Google politics like this in order to know which products you can really rely on, then it's effectively not reliable. With that said, I'd feel fine relying on VMs, disks, managed SQL, managed Kubernetes, etc. Maybe I'm too optimistic. And Google is giving exactly the guarantees they promised - 1 year of notice before shutting down a product.

> And Google is giving exactly the guarantees they promised - 1 year of notice before shutting down a product.

This is mostly true, but a bit more nuanced than one might think. Let's take the Go 1.9 runtime for App Engine. It was deprecated on June 27, 2019. [1] Existing deployments will keep working for an undetermined time, however new deployments won't be accepted starting October 1, 2019. That's just a 3 month notice! The offered solution is to migrate to Go 1.11 [2], however that's not straightforward either, because the Go 1.11 runtime is using 2nd generation App Engine, which means a bunch of App Engine specific code that you had working before will need to be rewritten. To make things even more spicy there's already a migration path to Go 1.12 which deprecates every single App Engine specific API. [3] Google is basically slowly shutting down the whole 1st generation App Engine.

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[1] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/standard/go/release-...

[2] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/standard/go111/go-di...

[3] https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/standard/go112/go-di...

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by NullPrefix »

dmix wrote: post #168
NullPrefix wrote: post #156

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What if they paid for some info and the company was a bundle deal

Half a billion dollars is a lot to pay for any one thing like customer data and talent. There has to be a strong business interest at that level.

WhatsApp users were sold $55 each. Data on employed people could be worth more.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by dhimes »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #242
iamsb wrote: post #109

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Given the speed with which youtube is demonetizing people or outright banning them, not sure how much longer it will sustain though.

I was watching a YouTube channel that that reviews mics and audio gear last night and they had had videos de monetised because of reviews of "shotgun mics"

Holy fuck! So their shutdown/demonetizing is being done by robots? They are automating the process of taking away peoples' way of earning a living? That is awful.
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