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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by cateye »

traek wrote: post #25

This makes sense, Hire was born out of Bebop (founded by Diane Greene, former VMware founder/CEO). Google acquihired Bebop to get Diane Greene as head of Google Cloud (which is why this product was lumped under their cloud division), but she left Google earlier this year. No reason for Google to keep it running now.

There was probably tension between Diane Green and Sundar Pichai.

The general struggle for Google is the difficulty in choosing a strategy for serving both

1. Enterprise customers with custom / manual / labor intensive needs

2. Fully automated products and processes for a wide spectrum of users who need to adopt to Google and not the other way around

To sell big Enterprise contracts, Google needs to listen to these customers specific needs and promise solutions. I don't think Google has this capability in its DNA. This must be very frustrating from someone like Diana Green that is used to operate a company in a different way. Could be the reason that she left her role.

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Post by C1sc0cat »

iamsb wrote: post #109
adventured wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is of course obviously safe. Google Cloud as a whole is also safe. It's the individual given products you have to worry about disappearing. It's already a very large business. Even in third place it's going to be at least a $15-$20 billion business over time. They're not shutting that down. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cloud-arr-earnings-8-...

Given the speed with which youtube is demonetizing people or outright banning them, not sure how much longer it will sustain though.

I was watching a YouTube channel that that reviews mics and audio gear last night and they had had videos de monetised because of reviews of "shotgun mics"

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Post by croon »

kayoone wrote: post #169
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Well to that extent, most other SaaS products which are affordable for SMBs are not a safe investment either, it's not that non-google companies/startup never shut down. Actually most SaaS startups fail.

> While Hire has been successful, we’re focusing our resources on other products in the Google Cloud portfolio

This is not a decision any startup would make. So there's at least some difference, in Googles disfavor.

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Post by wil421 »

kayoone wrote: post #169
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Well to that extent, most other SaaS products which are affordable for SMBs are not a safe investment either, it's not that non-google companies/startup never shut down. Actually most SaaS startups fail.

SaaS Market is pretty mature. Salesforce, ServiceNow, Workday, Tableu, and Mulesoft are a few I have personally worked on that are not really in startup mode anymore.

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Post by roystonvassey »

I think there should be a law that mandates orgs offering SaaS products (probably, with a min. base of users, say >100) to open-source their code, if they decide to sundown it. It almost appears to be the bare minimum, from a consumer protection perspective, for a responsible company (or, even Google) to do.

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Post by mjfisher »

nateps wrote: post #132

I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

Hi Nate. I've recently launched a service for managing coding challenges for recruitment through git (https://candidatecode.com).

I'm keen to start offering some lightweight integrations for a few ATS - is there anyone you can point me to in Lever that might be able to kick off that discussion?

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Post by bla3 »

n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

I agree that not becoming dependent on nascent Google projects is a good call for for consumers. But their cloud offering seems to be pretty stable and reliable. It feels almost as if their consumer and cloud arms are different companies.

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Post by goatinaboat »

kkarakk wrote: post #191
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

The only time people jump onboard google products is at launch. Being the premier tech company in the world that actually launches things like this brings significant network effects that help boost these products past noise threshold. After that it doesn't matter coz you'll probably move on to the next company(2-3 years) and it won't matter that the google product you adopted failed/was shut down since you'll be in…

Interesting dynamic, this is the same as offshoring. Make a decision that is beneficial in the short term, get that bonus or promotion out of it, run away before the much greater long term downside catches up with you. But it can only work in an environment that encourages job hopping... which we have.

Hey companies, if you want people to make good decisions then you need to invest in retention above all else.

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Post by sk5t »

tempay wrote: post #240
robocat wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

> Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!! Is caused by a special property of water? Or is it just the discontinuity arising from taking 0°C ice to 0°C water? If it's the latter it applies to all solid to liquid transitions (entropy of fusion).

I think the GP's point holds in that water has a higher latent heat of fusion than most other everyday substances, probably due to its polarity.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by sk5t »

eitland wrote: post #232
robocat wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

Thanks! Do you have a better idea? Either another example or a better way to tell it so it becomes true? I guess I could start somewhere closer to 0°K, but that wouldn't mean much I guess?

Better pick an example that doesn't involve phase change. ;)

Maybe it is more like water spilling over the top of an earthen dam. It only takes incrementally more water to happen, but is very bad for the structure of the dam and things downstream.

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