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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by robocat »

eitland wrote: post #204
tempay wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would this actually be practical? From what little I know about google infrastructure everything is dependent on their in house tooling and spinning projects off is a massive amount of work.

I think the point is that Google has been burning goodwill for a decade now. It might not be visible yet, just like the ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Googles goodwill reserves. Anything they can do to return to former status as "defender of the Internet" might be worth huge investments for that alone.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw

Unobviously a poor metaphor.

energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ

energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ

Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by eitland »

robocat wrote: post #231
eitland wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that Google has been burning goodwill for a decade now. It might not be visible yet, just like the ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Googles goodwill reserves. Anything they can do to return to former status as "defender of the Internet" might be worth huge investments for that alone.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

Thanks!

Do you have a better idea? Either another example or a better way to tell it so it becomes true?

I guess I could start somewhere closer to 0°K, but that wouldn't mean much I guess?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by reeeeee »

Why do they cancel this product? Are they losing profit over this? Were they working on any new features? If no new features are required, would it be such a hassle to just keep the product working without assigning engineers to it? Only support?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by cjblomqvist »

cbisnett wrote: post #9

I wonder if Google has unintentionally created a self-reinforcing feedback loop where potential customers don’t trust the products will be supported for more than 24 months which leads to limited adoption which in turn leads to the products being canceled before 24 months. Pair that with other HN comments that have described a situation where it’s easier to get promoted from launching a product vs maintaining an exis…

And this is way Clayton Christensen's theory if disruption (innovator's dilemma etc) for so famous. The grit needed to resist this type of behavior is massive in big companies.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by noeloc »

I'm the CTO and co-founder of https://hirehive.com, we're an ATS built for small to medium sized companies. Our pricing is based on the number of open roles at a time. We've been around for over 5 years and have great set of features to help your hiring process, including custom application forms and multilingual hiring. Check us out or get in touch.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by vallismortis »

pwinnski wrote: post #8
wilkystyle wrote: post #6

Every time there's a post about a Google service being shut down, there are the usual remarks. I'm not saying they aren't deserved, but I'm curious if there's an alternate perspective here? Perhaps sunsetting these services ultimately leads to a more trim and lean Google, and better profit margins? Put another way, is it just the HN circle that is so put off by this?

The two positions don't seem to be in any conflict: I'm sure it is good for Google to shut these services down. I'm sure it does result in a leaner and more profitable company. The end result is still that Google cannot be trusted to keep any service running that isn't extremely profitable, and people who come to depend on these less-profitable services still end up orphaned.

Two great examples are the goo.gl URL shortener and the custom site search widget. These two services actively break parts of the internet when they stop working.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by noeloc »

cj wrote: post #23
aeternum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use Lever and have been pretty happy with it. Easy to use and good integrations.

We used Lever too. Until the renewal price came. $10,000+ doesn’t make any sense if only planning to hire a handful of people / yr

Check out https://hirehive.com, I'm the CTO and we have a great set of features. Our pricing is based on the number of open roles and prices start at $49 per month for 3 open roles.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

kayoone wrote: post #169
n42 wrote: post #163

What is humorous to me is that Google is hurting users who typically have the most influence over SaaS integrations at their company (managers) by taking away a tool that helped them deal with the part of their job most of them hate the most (hiring/recruiting). If it hasn't been obvious yet to managers watching this, Google's software is not a safe investment for you to make for your company. It is only a matter of…

Well to that extent, most other SaaS products which are affordable for SMBs are not a safe investment either, it's not that non-google companies/startup never shut down. Actually most SaaS startups fail.

Profits that don't register for Google can make a sensible business for a smaller company.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Iv wrote: post #77
gatsby wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gmail is 15 years old. Maps is ~15 years old (and was the combination of several acquisitions in the maps space: Keyhole, Where2, Zipdash, etc.) Chrome is 11 years old + extremely successful, but my point still stands.

Plus Chrome is not really a product as, to my knowledge, it generates zero income.

Chrome is an advert delivery mechanism, if you see it from that perspective it looks highly lucrative.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by tempay »

robocat wrote: post #231
eitland wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that Google has been burning goodwill for a decade now. It might not be visible yet, just like the ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Googles goodwill reserves. Anything they can do to return to former status as "defender of the Internet" might be worth huge investments for that alone.

> ice cube who has been heated from -100°C to -5°C and still doesn't melt, but at this point it would take very little energy to thaw Unobviously a poor metaphor. energy to heat 1kg from -100°C to -5°C: 200kJ energy to melt 1kg from -5°C (as ice) to 0°C (as water): 345kJ Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

> Water has lots of extremely non-linear behaviours!!!

Is caused by a special property of water? Or is it just the discontinuity arising from taking 0°C ice to 0°C water?

If it's the latter it applies to all solid to liquid transitions (entropy of fusion).

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