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Plus Chrome is not really a product as, to my knowledge, it generates zero income.

Firefox and Safari generate tons of money for Google via search referrals so Chrome would have billions in revenue if it was valued the same way.

Indeed, when you value Chrome's market share in terms of traffic acquisition, it's pretty straightforward. Especially since they designed it from the ground up to do more searches.

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After the Hangouts/Allo/Duo debacle, I've done exactly this. I'll never put time into a new Google product again. My projects don't use G Suites or Cloud, either. I can't be the only one.

G Suite and Google Cloud are very different. GSuite is the enterprise version of the consumer apps which have billions of users so it's not going anywhere. Google Cloud has potential to meet or exceed adtech revenue and has some very big commercial customers. It's these smaller apps that suffer because $400/month isn't enough to make a difference at Google scale. They do have a mandate to keep innovating but it's a s…

Google Cloud as a package is different.

But since I started to use GCP 2012 a number of services has been left to die by abandonement.

Most of the times you get a clear migration path to a new service, but sometimes you dont such as when they kill the devserver for appengine standard in go 1.12 without giving a proper migration strategy. Everyone I know dread when they decide to deprecate go 1.11 support.

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Could you please explain what you mean when you say diversity is a fad du jour? I'd like to believe you didn't mean to say something this ugly.

Gasp! Thoughtcrime alert! Call the police!

Would you prefer if he just called him a jerk? Telling someone that they're being mean or inconsiderate is not the same thing as censoring them.

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I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

Nate - why do you think Google shut down Hire? When it launched, did you see any path for it to become a major ATS player, given Google's impatience?

Thx & hope Lever scoops up a bunch of customers from the transition (if Hire even had a bunch of customers!).

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When I get involved with a random 10 person company, I know what I'm getting into. Using the google brand provides(provided) a sense of respectability and deeper pockets/longer term vision. Some users, I believe rightfully so, feel betrayed by google's lackadaisical approach to starting and shutting down projects. Especially when comparing the effort to market vs create a great product. Like google +, it was shoved d…

This all seems pretty fair to me. I know how to evaluate a startup's potential failure. Who's funding them? How much money do they have? How popular are they? How solid's the product? What are the founders like? Heck, for a lot of small startups, you can just ask to talk to the CEO if it's what it will take to close the deal. And I have a good idea of the conditions under which they'll throw in the towel. But Google…

> And it stopped existing because she left Google. How could I possibly predict that?

It's pretty easy really, and you don't have to predict Google executive tenures: if the founder of a service you are considering using sells the company to Google and runs a completely different product division afterwards, even if that service doesn't immediately sunset and lives on as a vanity project, it will die of neglect. The founder focuses on the job they were hired for, and the competition will not remain in stasis like the service inevitably does.

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Looking through https://killedbygoogle.com most of the projects look like crappy side projects so I can understand why a multibillion dollar company would kill them off.

My favourite one they killed was this one though:

Google Ride Finder

Killed almost 10 years ago, Google Ride Finder was a service that used GPS data to pinpoint and map the location of taxis, limos, and shuttle vehicles available for hire in 10 U.S. metro areas. It was over 4 years old.

A taxi app... Close, but no cigar.

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I agree but I think it's a false dichotomy. At least with a startup you can count on them to, well, try.

but most lack the financial stability of google and could disappear rather quickly because of that.

Financial stability doesn't mean much to the end-user if the product ends up getting killed off regardless.

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I'm the founder and CTO of Lever, YC S12. I also worked at Google as a PM prior to founding Lever. Let me know how I can help if anyone has questions! We're a great alternative to Google Hire.

One of the biggest drivers for me picking google hire over Lever or Workable or one of the alternatives was the pricing model. By charging based on the size of the company and not the number of job slots it removed one of the biggest pains we had which was the constant juggling of putting specs live and archiving some as the priorities changed. £300 p/month for essentially unlimited slots was unbeatable.

What is the feedback and calendaring integrations like with Lever and gSuite?

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