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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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I'm the founder and CTO of Lever ( https://www.lever.co ), a similar product and part of YC S12. I recommend you check us out! I was also a PM at Google from 2007-2011. A big part of why I left and founded Lever is that I'm super passionate about enterprise software, and vertical enterprise software (even in huge markets) isn't aligned well with Google's core business.

I use Lever at work and it’s absolutely excellent.

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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Are going to? They already are. I will no longer consider a Google product for work purposes. Even for big stuff they are committed to like their cloud offering there is no confidence that individual features within it they you rely on won't get killed off.

you dont use gmail or google apps for business? i think their mail and docs/sheets are not a risk. everything else i wouldnt place a bet on

Once I started doing just a little advanced stuff in Microsoft Word I realized how poor Google Doc is. You can't define your own style for crying out loud, you have to redefine an existing one.

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Check out at agave.com, it starts out free and gives you full API access to your own data. Edit: disclaimer, I’m founder and CEO there.

Speaking of self-promotion, there may be value in adding all necessary disclaimers before you recommend a product.

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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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I preordered Stadia. I think I made a mistake.

I get the feeling Stadia is different. I'm not willing to write it off quite yet.

When so, so, so many google experiments have been killed off[0], I'm curious what makes you think that this time it will be different?

0. https://killedbygoogle.com/

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Because they want the people who worked on it to work on something else.

A LinkedIn clone that will be closed in less than 2 years after debuting it.

Would be perfect if LI closed shop during those 2 years.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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I can think of two reasons: 1. The code can be tightly tied to their internal systems and infra. It may just be more expensive to separate it out, not to mention engineers at Google are smart enough to avoid such projects (I mean, separate it out so that they can sell it) with no value to career. 2. Its success (of whatever scale) is probably tied to Google branding. Once it goes away, its probably as good as yet ano…

Right, #1 makes a lot of sense. The management/engineer’s time and commitment is the most finite resource and it’s possible they integrated it heavily since the 2015 acquisition. That said, they paid $380 million for it when it was called Bebop so it’s not entirely chump change if it retained that value.

What if they paid for some info and the company was a bundle deal

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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If it was successful why not sell it and let it live on?

I wonder if it has to do with Diane leaving and Thomas being the new CEO, trying to cut the smaller stuff. Especially with Hire was basically the project of Diane's company that Google acquired.

This seems reasonable. Google acquired Bebop in 2015. I think Google earn outs are usually three years. She left in 2018.

Hire would have been launched by the acquired team, all of whole would have had a similar three year earn out. If the few key people leave, suddenly there’s nobody left to maintain the product.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Does google actually have a worse track record on shutdowns than the average startup? Random 10 person companies shut down all the time, but we seem to pay extra attention when it's a 10 person team inside Google.

When I get involved with a random 10 person company, I know what I'm getting into. Using the google brand provides(provided) a sense of respectability and deeper pockets/longer term vision. Some users, I believe rightfully so, feel betrayed by google's lackadaisical approach to starting and shutting down projects. Especially when comparing the effort to market vs create a great product. Like google +, it was shoved d…

Google internally is like a mini VC ecosystem. Google leaders calculate the opportunity cost of headcount instead of the actual cost, so if a project isn't worth at least a million per man-year it gets shut down in favor of other projects which might fuel the system in the future.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Hire user here. IMO the product was functional (and cheap relative to the market) but not good. There were a lot of UX quirks that made it feel like an outside consultancy slapped some “Material” design on a pre-built app and called it a day. Really I would’ve liked to see a product like this be a meta-layer on top of GSuite productivity tools. ie Interview feedback forms should be a Forms form, the job board should…

>made it feel like an outside consultancy slapped some “Material” design on a pre-built app and called it a day.

Google's replacement motto for "Don't be evil" is "Launch and forget."

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