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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Almost every successful Google product over the last 15 years has been the result of acquiring an already-built product and marketing + distributing it well: Youtube, Nest, Waze, Doubleclick, Android. Products that are organically created within Google (even Google Hire, created via acquihire) have a pretty awful track record.

Gmail? Google maps? Chrome?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Does anyone have recommendations for good alternatives? We were sure this would be a good idea when moving to it. :(

Not sure what the HN rules are for self-promotion but my team and I recently launched an ATS/CRM called TalentAdmin. We're currently more geared towards smaller businesses but slowly growing into larger customers. We're not a perfect fit for everyone but we're very strong in structured interviews / scorecards, support, and at a price competitive with Google Hire.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #71
post #66

Almost every successful Google product over the last 15 years has been the result of acquiring an already-built product and marketing + distributing it well: Youtube, Nest, Waze, Doubleclick, Android. Products that are organically created within Google (even Google Hire, created via acquihire) have a pretty awful track record.

Gmail? Google maps? Chrome?

Gmail is 15 years old.

Maps is ~15 years old (and was the combination of several acquisitions in the maps space: Keyhole, Where2, Zipdash, etc.)

Chrome is 11 years old + extremely successful, but my point still stands.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Doubt it. This never made much sense as a Google offering. Very strong players in this category offering more complete solutions. Not obvious what Google brings here.

It was the best product we tried. We literally discussed internally will they drop support and thought they would keep it. The feedback loop grows.

We didn’t sign up because we’d just launched another system, but I really really liked it in the demo. We’ve ended up building homegrown GSuite + Google Script + Zapier automation tooling to approximate some of the workflows, because GSuite is such a natural place to do so many of the recruiting and interviewing tasks. I’m genuinely surprised to see this go away.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Starting to think that the key is to build your toys on a VM you control. That way nobody can take them away Proprietary stuff is starting to become flakey not in the uptime sense but pure lifespan. Almost like planned obsolescence became a thing with gear

I'd love this, a private server that ran apps (running on my box at home or maybe on an AWS instance) I can access via a web browser: no more senseless version upgrades with all the UI changes to boot, dropped file formats, license key nightmares, and of course ended products.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #11

Does anyone have recommendations for good alternatives? We were sure this would be a good idea when moving to it. :(

We use Lever and have been pretty happy with it. Easy to use and good integrations.

Glad to hear! I'm the Founder and CTO of Lever. Anything I can do to help?

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #73
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gmail? Google maps? Chrome?

Gmail is 15 years old. Maps is ~15 years old (and was the combination of several acquisitions in the maps space: Keyhole, Where2, Zipdash, etc.) Chrome is 11 years old + extremely successful, but my point still stands.

Plus Chrome is not really a product as, to my knowledge, it generates zero income.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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I wonder if Google has unintentionally created a self-reinforcing feedback loop where potential customers don’t trust the products will be supported for more than 24 months which leads to limited adoption which in turn leads to the products being canceled before 24 months. Pair that with other HN comments that have described a situation where it’s easier to get promoted from launching a product vs maintaining an exis…

100% yes.

If it's not ad sales or search - I don't trust Google enough to base long term projects on it. _Maybe_ add gmail to that, perhaps. Possibly Suite (since at least they charge for it). For me at least, Google Cloud is still not quite emerged from "interesting, but not sure it'll be around long term yet" status. I'll use it as part of a multicloud architecture, or for prototypes/short-term projects. But I haven't yet been able to convince myself to recommend jumping both feet into a GoogleCloud-specific project architecture - in the same way I happily recommend/design/deploy AWS-specific projects all the time.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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I'm the founder and CTO of Lever (https://www.lever.co), a similar product and part of YC S12. I recommend you check us out!

I was also a PM at Google from 2007-2011. A big part of why I left and founded Lever is that I'm super passionate about enterprise software, and vertical enterprise software (even in huge markets) isn't aligned well with Google's core business.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #78
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I wonder if Google has unintentionally created a self-reinforcing feedback loop where potential customers don’t trust the products will be supported for more than 24 months which leads to limited adoption which in turn leads to the products being canceled before 24 months. Pair that with other HN comments that have described a situation where it’s easier to get promoted from launching a product vs maintaining an exis…

100% yes. If it's not ad sales or search - I don't trust Google enough to base long term projects on it. _Maybe_ add gmail to that, perhaps. Possibly Suite (since at least they charge for it). For me at least, Google Cloud is still not quite emerged from "interesting, but not sure it'll be around long term yet" status. I'll use it as part of a multicloud architecture, or for prototypes/short-term projects. But I have…

YouTube is of course obviously safe.

Google Cloud as a whole is also safe. It's the individual given products you have to worry about disappearing. It's already a very large business. Even in third place it's going to be at least a $15-$20 billion business over time. They're not shutting that down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cloud-arr-earnings-8-...

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