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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used Lever too. Until the renewal price came. $10,000+ doesn’t make any sense if only planning to hire a handful of people / yr

That was the biggest advantage of Google Hire: it was actually affordable as a startup.

This is the main reason I built Agave Hire (agave.com). I wanted something I could easily customize, and also wasn't expensive.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

#113
post #95

If it was successful why not sell it and let it live on?

I can think of two reasons: 1. The code can be tightly tied to their internal systems and infra. It may just be more expensive to separate it out, not to mention engineers at Google are smart enough to avoid such projects (I mean, separate it out so that they can sell it) with no value to career. 2. Its success (of whatever scale) is probably tied to Google branding. Once it goes away, its probably as good as yet ano…

Right, #1 makes a lot of sense. The management/engineer’s time and commitment is the most finite resource and it’s possible they integrated it heavily since the 2015 acquisition.

That said, they paid $380 million for it when it was called Bebop so it’s not entirely chump change if it retained that value.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

#114
post #93

"It was built mostly for small to medium sized businesses, with a price that ranged from $200 to $400 a month depending on how many G Suite licenses you needed." Hm. Does that price seem too high? When I think small business I think mom and pop restaurants or utility stores. Would they be willing to pay so much per month just to hire people which they'll inevitably have to pay for anyways? Do small and medium busines…

I’ve only ever seen tech companies use it, so assuming that’s the target, the pricing seems reasonable.

Actual small businesses — like local shops, handy men, movie theaters, etc. likely still use Craigslist, or something much cheaper like Zip Recruiter.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #9

I wonder if Google has unintentionally created a self-reinforcing feedback loop where potential customers don’t trust the products will be supported for more than 24 months which leads to limited adoption which in turn leads to the products being canceled before 24 months. Pair that with other HN comments that have described a situation where it’s easier to get promoted from launching a product vs maintaining an exis…

These days I learn of most "new" Google products from the shutdown notice posted here on Hacker News. Also if there is a Google product that does something I need then I will almost always pick a worse alternative because I don't want to deal with the hassle of moving when Google eventually shuts down their thing.

Yep, I’ve never heard of Google Hire before now!

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #47
post #9

I wonder if Google has unintentionally created a self-reinforcing feedback loop where potential customers don’t trust the products will be supported for more than 24 months which leads to limited adoption which in turn leads to the products being canceled before 24 months. Pair that with other HN comments that have described a situation where it’s easier to get promoted from launching a product vs maintaining an exis…

After the Hangouts/Allo/Duo debacle, I've done exactly this. I'll never put time into a new Google product again. My projects don't use G Suites or Cloud, either. I can't be the only one.

I’ve stopped using all Google products except search, which I still use sometimes, maps and youtube.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

#117
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Re: Sunsetting Hire

#118
post #21

Does google actually have a worse track record on shutdowns than the average startup? Random 10 person companies shut down all the time, but we seem to pay extra attention when it's a 10 person team inside Google.

The difference between Google and a 10 person company is that at Google if a neighboring product is more successful then it will cannibalize the lesser products staff, while a 10 person company will be there as long as it is profitable.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

#119
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is of course obviously safe. Google Cloud as a whole is also safe. It's the individual given products you have to worry about disappearing. It's already a very large business. Even in third place it's going to be at least a $15-$20 billion business over time. They're not shutting that down. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cloud-arr-earnings-8-...

Given the speed with which youtube is demonetizing people or outright banning them, not sure how much longer it will sustain though.

To be fair though, it's validly arguable that at least some of the people and content they're demonetising and banning are the very far end of the trashfire bellcurve, and that YouTube is nett better without them.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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post #93

"It was built mostly for small to medium sized businesses, with a price that ranged from $200 to $400 a month depending on how many G Suite licenses you needed." Hm. Does that price seem too high? When I think small business I think mom and pop restaurants or utility stores. Would they be willing to pay so much per month just to hire people which they'll inevitably have to pay for anyways? Do small and medium busines…

My company (alley.co) is a satisfied Hire customer, and we are 70+ people, all of whom are in professional tech roles. We're definitely still in the SMB category, and since we're a consultancy and have no outside investors, we're likely to remain in that category. We're a remote company, so our signal to noise ratio in applicants is low, and we really need solid filtering tools for the first round of reviews.

Hire works really well for us since we're on G Suite for everything else. I'm about as annoyed about this sunset as I was annoyed about the sunset over Google Inbox. Google's commitment to building tools to make digital life easier is really faltering. We used a handful of Hire competitors before settling on Hire... hopefully the year before EOL will be long enough for one of them to emerge as the best alternative for us.

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