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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by SanchoPanda »

js4ever wrote: post #70
smt88 wrote: post #47

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After the Hangouts/Allo/Duo debacle, I've done exactly this. I'll never put time into a new Google product again. My projects don't use G Suites or Cloud, either. I can't be the only one.

Same here, for me the cracking point was a combination of horror stories about peoples autobanned from the whole google ecosystem (including a whole life of gmail, company infra on google cloud, everything!) and the constant discontinuation of products

Agreed. Not only might your investment into a platform be lost, but there is a tail risk somewhere out there that if you hack something together and they decide they don't like it, it might actually hurt you. I'm not convinced that this would be more likely using an obscure service, but my intuition is that would be - since any bad press for them is instantly not worth it.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by enos_feedler »

lumost wrote: post #62
pwinnski wrote: post #8

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The two positions don't seem to be in any conflict: I'm sure it is good for Google to shut these services down. I'm sure it does result in a leaner and more profitable company. The end result is still that Google cannot be trusted to keep any service running that isn't extremely profitable, and people who come to depend on these less-profitable services still end up orphaned.

Google has largely failed to diversify. In contrast with Amazon, or Microsoft they only have two closely coupled revenue lines ( search and ads ). Overall this makes them vulnerable to a shift in the marketplace such as increased demand for privacy.

Privacy and ads can co-exist

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by nexuist »

"It was built mostly for small to medium sized businesses, with a price that ranged from $200 to $400 a month depending on how many G Suite licenses you needed."

Hm. Does that price seem too high? When I think small business I think mom and pop restaurants or utility stores. Would they be willing to pay so much per month just to hire people which they'll inevitably have to pay for anyways? Do small and medium businesses hire at such large rates to justify this expense?

Obviously I'm just armchair generaling here, I'm sure G Suite's sales team crunched the numbers to make sure they made sense. But they don't make sense to me, and I'm wondering if someone can explain why.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by whatcd »

Iv wrote: post #77
gatsby wrote: post #73

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Gmail is 15 years old. Maps is ~15 years old (and was the combination of several acquisitions in the maps space: Keyhole, Where2, Zipdash, etc.) Chrome is 11 years old + extremely successful, but my point still stands.

Plus Chrome is not really a product as, to my knowledge, it generates zero income.

I believe it indirectly makes money as being a platform for Google's ecosystem, especially for their Enterprise Cloud apps suite or even Chromebooks.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by jmtame »

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Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by SanchoPanda »

eindiran wrote: post #86
DesiLurker wrote: post #48

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https://killedbygoogle.com/

I remember clicking on that a while back on thinking there weren't that many products listed there. They must have filled in a lot of killed-off-projects because now I'm struck by what a large number of projects are in the graveyard.

The age at the end of each one makes it genuinely sad. Well done them.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by wheelerwj »

nexuist wrote: post #93

"It was built mostly for small to medium sized businesses, with a price that ranged from $200 to $400 a month depending on how many G Suite licenses you needed." Hm. Does that price seem too high? When I think small business I think mom and pop restaurants or utility stores. Would they be willing to pay so much per month just to hire people which they'll inevitably have to pay for anyways? Do small and medium busines…

small business is defined as anything up to 500 people. mom and pop, restaurants are in the same group but it covers a pretty big swath.

Re: Sunsetting Hire

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Post by jvolkman »

misiti3780 wrote: post #42
markmark wrote: post #39

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Are going to? They already are. I will no longer consider a Google product for work purposes. Even for big stuff they are committed to like their cloud offering there is no confidence that individual features within it they you rely on won't get killed off.

you dont use gmail or google apps for business? i think their mail and docs/sheets are not a risk. everything else i wouldnt place a bet on

I'd consider those products safe since Google is completely dependent on them internally.
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