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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hktruth »

jeremysalwen wrote: post #160
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments.

@jeremysalwen

What is wrong with my comment above?

Do you have a problem with my opinion that the CEO resigned due to brand damage and potential loss of business in the market?

Or do you have a problem with actual facts, such as the letter the board of directors wrote, the arrest of a pilot for rioting, etc?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by raquo »

theseadroid wrote: post #169
raquo wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your apparent judgement is that the pilots taking part in protests and talking about protests to passengers are a safety issue. Otherwise, nothing you said makes sense. This is the Economist sentence that you're commenting on: > When the Chinese aviation authority, absurdly, accused the airline of imperilling safety because its employees had joined the protests If you didn't believe that pilot protests / speech is a…

I said in the later comment that the Economist is in no position to judge. Can I be surprised that they made the judgement? Or my surprise has to be only about whether the safety concern is real or not? Let me make it crystal clear: I didn't necessarily believe that pilot protests / speech is a safety concern but I disagree at the use of "absurdly" in that sentence, because personally I think the Economist has no exp…

You don't "necessarily" believe, but provide an argument and a link to justify that belief (however ineffectively)?

Have enough courage to own the ideas you propagate, this is pathetic.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by groundlogic »

hktruth wrote: post #171
jeremysalwen wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 50 cent army ever came to HN, it would look like the above two comments.

@jeremysalwen What is wrong with my comment above? Do you have a problem with my opinion that the CEO resigned due to brand damage and potential loss of business in the market? Or do you have a problem with actual facts, such as the letter the board of directors wrote, the arrest of a pilot for rioting, etc?

You're baiting. I guess you have a playbook to follow.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by [deleted] »

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154
hktruth wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hogg had to resign anyway, regardless of the unverified claim from Newsweek and Taiwan news. A pilot was arrested for rioting: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736... An employee leaked the itinerary of members of the HK Police force: https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel... Social media videos of Cathay Pacific staff involved in protests, shouting, arguing, etc.…

Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hktruth »

eximius wrote: post #93
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #33

> When the Chinese aviation authority, absurdly, accused the airline of imperilling safety because its employees had joined the protests, Cathay dumped its chief executive. Question: Is there even remotely a legitimate security concern here? Let's say in a hypothetical scenario, the unrest spirals out of control into a state of complete desperation. The HK government and the CCP refuse to compromise on any of the fiv…

If you buy into the mainlands propaganda, no, you probably won't be comfortable. But the protests have been nothing but peaceful, so there really isn't any reason to have fear.

Wow, are you kidding me?!

You honestly haven't seen the videos on social media showing protestors assaulting, imprisoning, beating innocent bystanders?

Or protestors attacking police officers and throwing molotov cocktails?

Not to mention vandalism and destruction of private and public property?

Honestly, if you haven't seen any of this, can post many links here for you.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by derefr »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
simonh wrote: post #2

>Chinese inspectors have started screening the phones of Cathay crew for anti-Beijing material. If that doesn't persuade ordinary Hong Kongers to love and trust the mainland authorities, I don't know what will.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

I kinda wish that China would switch from attempting to assimilate HK, to just seeing HKers as foreign devils that need to be kicked out of China. Because that would inevitably lead to only one thing: other countries granting refugee status to the entire HK population.

(In fact, I wonder if particular sovereign nations are already attempting psy-ops with an inculcation of this attitude in the Chinese government as their goal. It's really the only way that the population of HK "gets out" from under China's rule in one piece. Minus a city, of course...)

(Though, if we're talking "things on the CIA's to-do list", giving the CNP another chance to take China from the CCP is probably pretty high up there. Hong Kong would be perfectly content with "assimilation" under a democratic Taiwan-led China.)

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by joelx »

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #154
hktruth wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hogg had to resign anyway, regardless of the unverified claim from Newsweek and Taiwan news. A pilot was arrested for rioting: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736... An employee leaked the itinerary of members of the HK Police force: https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel... Social media videos of Cathay Pacific staff involved in protests, shouting, arguing, etc.…

Trying to bury every single thought that doesn't perfectly conform with the common narrative is unscalable and will only serve to amplify the counter-narrative. I see this happening everywhere in relation to the unrest in HK. Ideally, ideas should be discussed on their merit and in the light of day. When faced with what is perceived as dissent, strong counter arguments should be made instead of shutting down discours…

We need to evacuate Hong Kong and find other ways to fight against China's totalitarian government.

HN also needs to very carefully assess potential shill accounts.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by eximius »

hktruth wrote: post #175
eximius wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you buy into the mainlands propaganda, no, you probably won't be comfortable. But the protests have been nothing but peaceful, so there really isn't any reason to have fear.

Wow, are you kidding me?! You honestly haven't seen the videos on social media showing protestors assaulting, imprisoning, beating innocent bystanders? Or protestors attacking police officers and throwing molotov cocktails? Not to mention vandalism and destruction of private and public property? Honestly, if you haven't seen any of this, can post many links here for you.

From a recently created account called hktruth, I don't think I trust you as a reliable source.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by eximius »

llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #101
eximius wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be asking about an unlikely hypothetical for the sole purpose of legitimizing the actions taken, making the risk seem plausible.

Do you think the above scenario is completely implausible? If so, why? Please don't make assumptions about my motives.

Whether or not it is your intention, all you're doing is sowing doubt and suspicion. You are NOT creating meaningful discourse.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by cbnotfromthere »

lowdose wrote: post #129
toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re a Hong Kong resident, what are your options? Can you flee the country with a visa to a first world country with rights less under pressure from a totalitarian state? Edit: I genuinely appreciate all of the replies to this comment as this humanitarian crisis unfolds.

As a European citizen I would really like to provide the people of Hong Kong a passport of their choosing. Our Western colonial mistakes are responsible for setting up China with this situation in HK. The best is to acknowledge our mistakes and welcome anybody that feels compromised by a Chinese annexation. In the past the Netherlands has made a promise to the people of South Maluku a republic and independent status…

_"As a European citizen I would really like to provide the people of Hong Kong a passport of their choosing. Our Western colonial mistakes"_

As an European Union citizen, I find it VERY insulting that anyone can equate Western (former) colonialists with the European Union and viceversa.

I'm from Eastern Europe, I have zero connection to former colonialism and zero guilt about that.

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