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China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by bhhaskin »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #48

I don't know if this is a coincidence but Cathay Pacific is symbolic of colonial times. The founders were not Chinese, the main shareholder has always been British, the CEO until a week ago was British. It's always been a western (anglosphere) company operating in China/Asia, not a Chinese company and perhaps the Chinese authorities want to make clear that it is now a Chinese company.

Not sure if this is a coincidence, but your account is less than 65 days old and seem to mainly to post comments that are pro-Beijing. It's entirely possible that you have a bit of a bias in regards to Cathay Pacific.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by raquo »

theseadroid wrote: post #72
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be disinformation, but I've read that some Cathay pilots and cabin crew were reprimanded for participating in the protests. Also, I don't necessarily mean a terrorist incident. Any kerfuffle at 35,000ft would be enough grounds to turn an airplane around and land it at the nearest runway as per standard safety practices. With HK-mainland tensions at an all time high, I don't think this can be completely ruled…

I was a bit surprised the economist used the word absurdly actually. There are several incidents happened before China's aviation authority made the demand: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/08/21/cathay-pacific-pilot-w... This pilots announcement happened before July 26.

The pilot talking about protestors at the airport he's landing, and supporting them did not imperil the safety of passengers. Claiming that is indeed absurd.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by psychrometer »

chrischen wrote: post #90
throwaway2048 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, any western company that thinks the Chinese government is going to allow them to have a large market share in China long term is straight up delusional (or thinking so short term they don't care at all) Company after company has been raided for IP and forced out of China, stop falling for the siren song.

Apple still has a large market share in China. Maybe Samsung just sucks and couldn’t compete against Huawei? Only reason Huawei hasn’t beat out Samsung in the US is because of anti-Huawei sentiment in the US.

Isn't the cause of Samsung's decline in China due to boycotts related to THAAD deployment in SK?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by psychrometer »

partiallypro wrote: post #102
jsnider3 wrote: post #97

This probably wouldn't have happened if America had decent leadership.

China has been doing this sort of thing well before the Trump administration. People are just now noticing the trend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by mytailorisrich »

bhhaskin wrote: post #131
mytailorisrich wrote: post #48

I don't know if this is a coincidence but Cathay Pacific is symbolic of colonial times. The founders were not Chinese, the main shareholder has always been British, the CEO until a week ago was British. It's always been a western (anglosphere) company operating in China/Asia, not a Chinese company and perhaps the Chinese authorities want to make clear that it is now a Chinese company.

Not sure if this is a coincidence, but your account is less than 65 days old and seem to mainly to post comments that are pro-Beijing. It's entirely possible that you have a bit of a bias in regards to Cathay Pacific.

Wow... Why the gratuitous personal attack? Am I guilty of a thought crime?

And how are most of my comments "pro-beijing"? The world is complex and trying to have a measured approach and to understand the different points of view is not being pro or anti anything.

HN promotes intellectual curiosity, not narrow-mindedness.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by mythrwy »

dangjc wrote: post #71

Why don't we form a new WTO, without China or other dictatorships, and only allow in democracies that are liberal or liberalizing? There's no point in opening our arms to China if they aren't moving on the right track anymore towards becoming a free and fair society.

Because US Chamber of commerce is still holding on to the beautiful dream of selling one bottle of Coke to each of 1.3 billion people. Even though after all these years they should understand it isn't going to work like that.

(i.e it's a massive market).

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

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Post by hktruth »

groundlogic wrote: post #78

https://www.newsweek.com/cathay-ceo-refused-name-hong-kong-p... > The Taiwan News claimed that Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg's decision to resign last week came after he refused to name names to the Chinese government when he was asked to provide a list of employees who were involved in the Hong Kong protests. > China's Civil Aviation Administration ordered Cathay to provide a list of employees who were involved in…

I think Hogg had to resign anyway, regardless of the unverified claim from Newsweek and Taiwan news.

A pilot was arrested for rioting: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020736...

An employee leaked the itinerary of members of the HK Police force: https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/cathay-pacific-staff-leaks-travel...

Social media videos of Cathay Pacific staff involved in protests, shouting, arguing, etc. This damaged the brand.

The Swire Group (British) owns 50% of Cathay Pacific. The airline needs domestic routes to stay in business. The CEO failed to maintain calm and discipline among staff, bringing Cathay Pacific into disrepute.

So the owners and the board of directors decided to act.

Before the CEO resigned, the company sacked "four members of Cathay staff for taking part in, or in relation to, the demonstrations gripping Hong Kong" https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/302312...

The board also wrote:

> recent events have called into question Cathay Pacific’s commitment to flight safety and security and put our reputation and brand under pressure. This is regrettable as we have always made safety and security our highest priority. https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-pacific-announces-seni...

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