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Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by nooom »

chmod775 wrote: post #96
zaroth wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone. I don’t think those flashed ROMs give you appreciably more “control” over your iPhone than stock iOS provides, because actual control requires usable control surfaces . More likely, you are replacing the control surfaces provided by an accountable entity (Apple) who has prioritized your security and privacy…

"You shouldn't be concerned about freedom because you're not gonna use it/need it anyways." That's what your comment boils down to. You really want to go down that road of an argument? On a website that has hacker culture in its very name?

Hacker News doesn't really have anything to do with the hacker culture, except yes, having the word "hacker" in its name

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by alkonaut »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #109
coldtea wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your smartphone has all the hardware that it needs to be a general purpose computer. Which is neither here nor there. Parent doesn't mean a smartphone doesn't have the cpu power etc. of being a general purpose computing, he says it is not one.

But it has the capacities to be one if you plugged in peripherals.

Again: that doesn't matter. My lawnmower has more power than my first 3 PC's combined and could easily play quake if connected to a keyboard and screen. Not sure what difference that makes to the original question of openness?

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by isostatic »

phatfish wrote: post #83
isostatic wrote: post #62

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Indeed, I wouldn't suggest anything other than a chromebook for my relatives

You can setup Windows to be secure, just make sure to not give your parents admin accounts. Install the apps they use and give them normal user accounts. Provide the password for elevation and educate to only type that in when they are installing something they know is secure. Likely they will forget the password and have to check with their "IT helper" anyway, and sanity check there actions then. I have a Windows 7…

> You can setup Windows to be secure

Or I could get them to buy something far cheaper that's already secure, rather than having to learn how to admin an OS that I have had no need to use for nearly 20 years.

> check with their "IT helper"

The whole point is to avoid being an "IT Helper", otherwise I'd just give them an ubuntu laptop.

> The stuff that lives in the user profile gets caught by AV,

Audio video?

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by auiya »

userbinator wrote: post #84

The saddest thing about this is the article presents jailbreaking as an entirely negative thing, while the comments offer a more balanced opinion.

For most end-users it is. It allows any compromise of the device to elevate to root privileges.

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Post by kgwxd »

zaroth wrote: post #82
dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone. I don’t think those flashed ROMs give you appreciably more “control” over your iPhone than stock iOS provides, because actual control requires usable control surfaces . More likely, you are replacing the control surfaces provided by an accountable entity (Apple) who has prioritized your security and privacy…

You can run anything you want, but you can't not run anything you want.

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Post by kgwxd »

pier25 wrote: post #119

I've never understood why iOS isn't more like macOS. There aren't really any technical reasons why this couldn't be. It's common for the security argument to be used to justify Apple's practices, but Mac users have been perfectly fine installing third party apps such as Transmit, Adobe Photoshop, or even Google Chrome from outside of Apple's walled garden. I've been using macOS since 2007 and I've never had a virus o…

There will likely be a day when it's very difficult to install anything you want on macOS. Same with Windows. They keep trying really hard to make it happen but, for now, people keep pushing back even harder. For me, the fact that they're even trying is enough to leave.

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Post by TacticalTable »

pier25 wrote: post #119

I've never understood why iOS isn't more like macOS. There aren't really any technical reasons why this couldn't be. It's common for the security argument to be used to justify Apple's practices, but Mac users have been perfectly fine installing third party apps such as Transmit, Adobe Photoshop, or even Google Chrome from outside of Apple's walled garden. I've been using macOS since 2007 and I've never had a virus o…

Market share is an appreciable concern here. Macs haven't been more than 20% of the market for a long time. iPhones are a much larger market share, especially among affluent users. I don't think we'd see any widespread viruses, but there would certainly be a ton of people losing their financial info from their own irresponsibility.

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Post by i_cant_speel »

zapzupnz wrote: post #94
dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

Goodness me it gets tiring seeing a post like this every time an article about iOS comes up. It's a legitimate point to make, but it should rather be that we talk about the content of the article rather than bring out the 'Apple's taking our freedom away' soapbox. It inevitably turns into a debate between one side who values personal freedoms but won't be told to buy Android phones widespread safety, security, and pr…

Agreed. It gets very tiring. Every post related to Apple or Google devolves into the same exact conversations, regardless of the content of the article.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by cortic »

snowwrestler wrote: post #73
dessant wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal freedoms have always had risks, but is it really warranted to take them away in this case and not offer a way to get them back in any shape or form? Looking at recent Samsung devices, is Google Services Framework really that integral to the security of my device that I must be forbidden from disabling that package? Isn't there an alternative way to achieve a comparable level of security, but without slurping…

Apple is not taking away personal freedoms. They create products, which they offer for sale. People can freely choose to purchase those products or not. Apple has opinions about how to make products, which are embodied in the products they offer for sale. Other companies have different opinions. This is how a market is supposed to work. I don’t think we should talk about Apple as if they are a government taking away…

That argument kind of breaks down when you have a monopoly on the market like Apple and Google do. If there isn't a viable option to their product then i'm not free to choose.

We shouldn't be talking about Apple like a government, but the government should probably be regulating this a bit better;

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