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Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by dhimes »

Reelin wrote: post #81
dhimes wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a valid concern, and perhaps verifiable. How many Windows user actually create a non-admin account to use for their everyday work? I find, anecdotally, that a helluva lot of them don't; in fact, the very idea is foreign to them.

I'd argue this is largely a question of defaults and ergonomics. Most users will leave the default settings if they don't have an active need to change them. Easily usable (and understandable) tools and interfaces prevent most needs from arising in the first place. Concrete example: The root account on many Linux distros is disabled by default. I've never felt the need to enable it, because sudo does everything I nee…

I agree with you. However, my point is that these people don't see the need to create the non-privileged account, even though there is a strong one.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by anang »

jsjohnst wrote: post #85
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are allowed to learn, which Apple doesn't want you to do. They could make it so your mom doesn't get root by accident, but you would still have the right to do so.

> They could make it so your mom doesn't get root by accident, but you would still have the right to do so. How? Serious, genuine question. How can they give you “the right to do so”, but prevent “mom” from accidentally doing so or worse, having someone do it to their phone without them knowing?

I don’t think anyone is suggesting something similar to “This app would like to access your camera” but for unmitigated root access.

It could even be as involved as getting an official image from apple/google that allows root access. I don’t think a “mom” would accidentally download an image and flash their telephones.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by alkonaut »

kyle-rb wrote: post #88
andreasley wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple's approach is the only reasonable one for the general population. The technological complexity of any smartphone is far beyond comprehension for most people. I write iOS software for a living, and even with complete access to the source code, I couldn't reasonably evaluate my iPhone's software - let alone the hardware. The idea that ROMs from questionable sources make your device safer sounds very stran…

>The technological complexity of any smartphone is far beyond comprehension for most people. The exact same goes for regular computers and operating systems. And we still have those. Shouldn't we at least have the option on mobile?

> And we still have those.

You have computer form factors and OS'es invented in the 80's and 90s for desktop. The only reason they still work that way is because of legacy/inertia.

The exception is the ChromeBook and CromeOS and that works similar to a smartphone. For a reason.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by zapzupnz »

dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

Goodness me it gets tiring seeing a post like this every time an article about iOS comes up.

It's a legitimate point to make, but it should rather be that we talk about the content of the article rather than bring out the 'Apple's taking our freedom away' soapbox.

It inevitably turns into a debate between one side who values personal freedoms but won't be told to buy Android phones widespread safety, security, and privacy and tell the others to just buy Android phones.

This goes around and around, usually getting nobody anywhere, and happens all over again the next time an article about iOS turns up on the front page.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by readams »

zaroth wrote: post #82
dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone. I don’t think those flashed ROMs give you appreciably more “control” over your iPhone than stock iOS provides, because actual control requires usable control surfaces . More likely, you are replacing the control surfaces provided by an accountable entity (Apple) who has prioritized your security and privacy…

The iOS feature set is intended to protect Apple's business model and revenue streams by forcing you to do things in Apple's jail. Getting a developer account is obviously an absurd and impractical approach to distribute software and proposing this is frankly ridiculous. It's not free, requires you own a Mac, and is way beyond the technical abilities of most users.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by chmod775 »

zaroth wrote: post #82
dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone. I don’t think those flashed ROMs give you appreciably more “control” over your iPhone than stock iOS provides, because actual control requires usable control surfaces . More likely, you are replacing the control surfaces provided by an accountable entity (Apple) who has prioritized your security and privacy…

"You shouldn't be concerned about freedom because you're not gonna use it/need it anyways."

That's what your comment boils down to. You really want to go down that road of an argument? On a website that has hacker culture in its very name?

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by kyle-rb »

alkonaut wrote: post #93
kyle-rb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The technological complexity of any smartphone is far beyond comprehension for most people. The exact same goes for regular computers and operating systems. And we still have those. Shouldn't we at least have the option on mobile?

> And we still have those. You have computer form factors and OS'es invented in the 80's and 90s for desktop. The only reason they still work that way is because of legacy/inertia. The exception is the ChromeBook and CromeOS and that works similar to a smartphone. For a reason.

Chrome OS now has Crostini, which allows you to install basically any Linux app. Or is that also attributed to the legacy/inertia of Linux?

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by mkane848 »

dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

For a second I thought I was in a thread about Windows

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

zaroth wrote: post #82
dessant wrote: post #6

It's unfortunate how Apple and Google approach device ownership, and their attitude towards the concept of general computing is concerning. We do not control our own devices, we cannot stop certain processes on them, and we do not know where our personal data is sent. We either have to flash ROMs from questionable sources and apply temporary exploits to get some kind of resemblance of control of our own devices, or w…

You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone. I don’t think those flashed ROMs give you appreciably more “control” over your iPhone than stock iOS provides, because actual control requires usable control surfaces . More likely, you are replacing the control surfaces provided by an accountable entity (Apple) who has prioritized your security and privacy…

> You can get a developer account, build and sign your own executables, and run whatever you want on your iPhone.

Sure, for an extra $100 every single year. Apple charging money for a feature does not protect users.

Re: Apple Accidentally Unpatches Vulnerability, Leading to New iOS 12.4 Jailbreak

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Post by draw_down »

userbinator wrote: post #84

The saddest thing about this is the article presents jailbreaking as an entirely negative thing, while the comments offer a more balanced opinion.

I’m ok with security vulnerabilities being portrayed negatively!
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