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Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Handy table comparing their 5-series options:

* https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/compare-yub...

Seems the main questions to ask yourself are:

* is NFC desired?

* do you need/want USB-A or USB-C?

This product adds a Lightning option.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #6

I think I'd preferred if they offered a USB-C and USB-A combo.

I wonder if they'll release an NFC/USB-C unit as well.

Or just go 'full compat' and do NFC/USB-A/C. I could see something like that being handy for IT folks.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #15

That sounds nice. But while using U2F/FIDO for a few years (with two HyperFIDOs, one for "daily" use attached to my key-chain, the other as a backup in a safe), I found the most common problem was that websites/services don't tread these keys as first class citizens. For example GitHub: I have my two keys setup there, but I can't opt-out of SMS authentication. If I knew I could use my keys at more services, I would a…

In addition to what you're saying, I also would like to register multiple keys to services such that any one would work, not that both are required. I don't need them to be nuclear keys... I want a backup key stored in a safe and one on my keychain.

This seems to be very uncommon amongst service providers.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#54

Handy table comparing their 5-series options: * https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/compare-yub... Seems the main questions to ask yourself are: * is NFC desired? * do you need/want USB-A or USB-C? This product adds a Lightning option.

Is there no lightning to USB A adapter? Seems a bit wasteful to buy another key for a currently very limited ability in iOS.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last year I got the Google Titan security keys and connected it with all of my work + personal accounts that support it. The #1 weakness is the simple fact that many services don't allow you to disable alternate forms of 2fa. Github is an example, you can always trigger the fallback SMS 2fa code. Dashlane is another example (and arguably the most important). It's impossible to make your security key the only form of…

My understanding is the issues that lead to U2F being considered to be better than TOTP were mainly about it being phished easily compared something which will only dispense the right code with the right challenge. But if you never actually login with TOTP, and always use your U2F key, then does it actually decrease security to have it as a backup/removal option and you know that's the only reason you'd enter it. It…

TOTP is one thing. Having your backup TOTP key locked in a safe effectively stops it from being abused.

SMS 2FA, on the other hand, has real security issues[0][1]. In my experience, SMS 2FA is most commonly the required type of 2FA, before you can add TOTP/U2F as a secondary.

SMS 2FA is the hardest to lose or break, so forcing everyone to keep it enabled minimizes support costs for the provider.

[0] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/24/nist_says_sms_no_go...

[1] https://duo.com/decipher/reddit-breach-illustrates-dangers-o...

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #50
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last year I got the Google Titan security keys and connected it with all of my work + personal accounts that support it. The #1 weakness is the simple fact that many services don't allow you to disable alternate forms of 2fa. Github is an example, you can always trigger the fallback SMS 2fa code. Dashlane is another example (and arguably the most important). It's impossible to make your security key the only form of…

My understanding is the issues that lead to U2F being considered to be better than TOTP were mainly about it being phished easily compared something which will only dispense the right code with the right challenge. But if you never actually login with TOTP, and always use your U2F key, then does it actually decrease security to have it as a backup/removal option and you know that's the only reason you'd enter it. It…

There's a small downside to TOTP even if you never use it in anger.

For U2F/ WebAuthn the relying party doesn't end up knowing any secrets. So if for example I get a month old database backup of Facebook, I don't learn how to log in with U2F as any of the users whose credentials I have, because Facebook can't do that either, only the legitimate users can.

For TOTP that stolen data gets me in, because I can synthesize correct TOTP codes for any user whose secret key I have stolen.

But you are correct that social engineering attacks will be far more common. The particular concern with SMS is that the attack can target your mobile phone company, so that all the security at say Facebook or Twitter doesn't help you because your security was blown up at T-mobile or AT&T.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#57
post #6

I think I'd preferred if they offered a USB-C and USB-A combo.

I wonder if they'll release an NFC/USB-C unit as well. Or just go 'full compat' and do NFC/USB-A/C. I could see something like that being handy for IT folks.

Yeah, I'm annoyed by having to chose between NFC and USB-C. Apparently they're working on it, though:

https://twitter.com/Yubico/status/1161003411501748224

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #37

I tried the quiz to get a recommendation but it finishes in an endless loop > learn more > quiz starts again https://www.yubico.com/quiz/ Also can anyone explain the multiple models too me? https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/ Say I want an USB-A key, I can choose from three and they all have different prices. The Security Keys are less secure than a FIPS or a 5? Maybe I'm just too end user but the multi…

Short version: the FIPS is for enterprise. The Security Key is for consumers. The 5 series is for enterprise or power users.

This might be more useful for you: https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/compare-pro...

You want the Yubikey FIPS if you're using it in a context where FIPS compliance matters, such as US government. If not (such as for personal use), then don't bother.

The Security Key series is the budget minimal "works as a FIDO authenticator". It lacks the bells and whistles that come with the 5 series. AFAIK it is not "less secure," it just lacks bells and whistles.

The 5 series works as a FIDO authenticator, but it also includes PIV capabilities (smartcards, PGP, etc.), which allow you to do stuff like this: https://developers.yubico.com/PGP/SSH_authentication/.* The PIV capabilities matter more in the context of enterprise/government applications where smartcards have been in common use as a 2nd factor for many years, which makes having an all-in-one smartcard+FIDO device very convenient.

* Caveat: I recommend against using your Yubikey for SSH private/public key authentication unless your SSH setup also requires a password. Single physical factor is worse than having a password protected key pair in your ~/.ssh folder.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised that you can't remove/disable the fallback SMS number. One thing you can do to mitigate that problem is to create a Google Voice number. Those are harder to port as long as you created it on Google Voice.

A solution often mentioned but not available to anyone outside the US.

Or just get a prepaid phone with a number you don't tell anyone. And if your country allows it, without registering your name/ID to it.
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