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Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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> whose to stop someone from cloning a Yubico key? That is precisely what these devices are designed to stop. The device has a private key stored in hardware in a way that it cannot be retrieved by software. When you use one of these devices you dramatically decrease your number of attack vectors because now the attack has to happen physically. Someone has to actually steal your physical key. And because this is your…

Impresive, have they had external security firms try to steal the private key? Thats my final thought. I guess it makes sense. By the time an adversary gets your key you would of noticed and have locked that key from your account.

Lockheed has a great deal of their MFA keys compromised because the factory that manufactured them had been breached for a while and nobody had noticed. Supply chain attacks are performed constantly against large, known entities and this case shows why they are so pedantic about security and justified in their paranoia. The problems have been execution of the policy and the costs of compliance.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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I thought Yubikey NEO supported NFC on iPhones. I remember reading there was some flaky support for a while, then a new SDK was released for iOS 11. Is there any advantage to using the pluggable Lightning Yubikey over the NEO? Perhaps better app support?

If there's a way for 1password to work over NFC on iOS, i'd be happy. Still, I bought a lightning/usb-c key this morning.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Simple: security keys combat phishing, two-factor apps do not. A security key doesn't just authenticate you to a site: it also authenticates the site to you.

Security keys are two factor as well. In fact there are multiple different types of 2FA with different security levels. SMS 2FA is one of the weakest. Push Login is moderate. Scanning encrypted barcodes is highest and also phishing proof like FIDO keys.

> Scanning encrypted barcodes is highest and also phishing proof like FIDO keys.

I have never seen a solution like this, but I can't see how it would avoid simple relay phish, it seems as though bad guys can just get themselves a legitimate encrypted barcode and have their victim scan it.

Maybe you haven't explained this solution properly, do you have a link?

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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That sounds nice. But while using U2F/FIDO for a few years (with two HyperFIDOs, one for "daily" use attached to my key-chain, the other as a backup in a safe), I found the most common problem was that websites/services don't tread these keys as first class citizens. For example GitHub: I have my two keys setup there, but I can't opt-out of SMS authentication. If I knew I could use my keys at more services, I would a…

I'm surprised that you can't remove/disable the fallback SMS number.

One thing you can do to mitigate that problem is to create a Google Voice number. Those are harder to port as long as you created it on Google Voice.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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I didn't know about 1Pass, I've been a paying member for a while. I'll try that out! But to put a finer point on your actual statement, I usually screenshot the MFA setup in case my phone gets lost, so I can easily re-set it up.

With SAASPASS Authenticator you can set up recovery in case you lose your or change your phone.

For those who aren't aware, the author of the post works for them. Maybe a founder; it's a little hard to tell. I've run across him doing exactly this in the past. Bad form, and (having looked at it in the past) the product he's flogging is amateurish.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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I tried the quiz to get a recommendation but it finishes in an endless loop > learn more > quiz starts again

https://www.yubico.com/quiz/

Also can anyone explain the multiple models too me? https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/

Say I want an USB-A key, I can choose from three and they all have different prices. The Security Keys are less secure than a FIPS or a 5? Maybe I'm just too end user but the multiple choices to me are the exact opposite of the easy to use principle. The whole product page is just confusing.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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That sounds nice. But while using U2F/FIDO for a few years (with two HyperFIDOs, one for "daily" use attached to my key-chain, the other as a backup in a safe), I found the most common problem was that websites/services don't tread these keys as first class citizens. For example GitHub: I have my two keys setup there, but I can't opt-out of SMS authentication. If I knew I could use my keys at more services, I would a…

FYI, a YubiKey (but not a lower-end Security Key by Yubico) supports OTP in addition to U2F. I have my GitHub account set up with U2F and OTP as the two 2FA options, both from my YubiKey. No SMS. This also works for pretty much any site that supports app-based 2FA; e.g., AWS doesn't support U2F at all, but I use it with my YubiKey via OTP.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #15

That sounds nice. But while using U2F/FIDO for a few years (with two HyperFIDOs, one for "daily" use attached to my key-chain, the other as a backup in a safe), I found the most common problem was that websites/services don't tread these keys as first class citizens. For example GitHub: I have my two keys setup there, but I can't opt-out of SMS authentication. If I knew I could use my keys at more services, I would a…

I'm surprised that you can't remove/disable the fallback SMS number. One thing you can do to mitigate that problem is to create a Google Voice number. Those are harder to port as long as you created it on Google Voice.

A solution often mentioned but not available to anyone outside the US.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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I thought Yubikey NEO supported NFC on iPhones. I remember reading there was some flaky support for a while, then a new SDK was released for iOS 11. Is there any advantage to using the pluggable Lightning Yubikey over the NEO? Perhaps better app support?

NFC support is spotty at the moment. The problem is that it's somewhat simpler to integrate FIDO/U2F via browser using the WebAuthn API than it is to implement a non-native FIDO SDK into your native app in a secure fashion. Once mobile browsers and iOS/Android web UI widgets get support for BLE and NFC WebAuthn, things should improve somewhat.

FIDO (WebAuthn) via browser abstracts some nuances from you such as "how do you know you can trust the server you're talking to?" and "how do you deal with the difference between FIDO and FIDO2 authenticators?" alongside other details that the native SDK's don't abstract away from you.

(For background: part of my day job is implementing authentication systems.)

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