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Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#11

Does it do U2F on an iOS device?

Partly, does't support new iPad pro and only in Brave browser

> At launch, it’ll support these well-known password managers and single sign-on tools: 1Password, Bitwarden, Dashlane, Idaptive, LastPass, and Okta. And when using the Brave browser for iOS, the YubiKey 5Ci can be used as an easier way to log into Twitter, GitHub, 1Password’s web app, and a couple other services.

see https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/20/20813129/

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#12

> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…

> whose to stop someone from cloning a Yubico key?

That is precisely what these devices are designed to stop. The device has a private key stored in hardware in a way that it cannot be retrieved by software. When you use one of these devices you dramatically decrease your number of attack vectors because now the attack has to happen physically. Someone has to actually steal your physical key. And because this is your "second factor", if that happens they still also have to have your password.

Two-factor apps get closer to this, but they usually can be copied. For instance, 1Password can be set up to mimic Google Authenticator.

> I do want to know if this is purely marketing hype

This is most definitely NOT marketing hype. It is the current security best practice.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#13

> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…

Simple: security keys combat phishing, two-factor apps do not. A security key doesn't just authenticate you to a site: it also authenticates the site to you.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#15
That sounds nice. But while using U2F/FIDO for a few years (with two HyperFIDOs, one for "daily" use attached to my key-chain, the other as a backup in a safe), I found the most common problem was that websites/services don't tread these keys as first class citizens. For example GitHub: I have my two keys setup there, but I can't opt-out of SMS authentication.

If I knew I could use my keys at more services, I would already have upgrade the daily driver to a NFC variant (so I could use it with my phone).

So, to any webdevs on HN reading this: Take that shit serious and implement 2FA ;-)

//edit: GitHub is just a single example; and it's possible to opt-out of SMS, if a authenticator app is used instead. That's what I mean by second class citizen: Security Key(s) + X is possible, but while X alone can be configured, Security Key(s) alone is(/are) not allowed.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#16

> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…

> whose to stop someone from cloning a Yubico key? That is precisely what these devices are designed to stop. The device has a private key stored in hardware in a way that it cannot be retrieved by software. When you use one of these devices you dramatically decrease your number of attack vectors because now the attack has to happen physically. Someone has to actually steal your physical key. And because this is your…

I didn't know about 1Pass, I've been a paying member for a while. I'll try that out! But to put a finer point on your actual statement, I usually screenshot the MFA setup in case my phone gets lost, so I can easily re-set it up.

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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Just out of curiosity, is Apple migrating away from Lightning toward USB-C? $70 for one key is a bit steep especially if Apple eventually shelves Lightning on iPhones.

Regardless of what Apple plans to do (which really isn't an answerable question), I'd think what really matters is, what port does your phone have? If the choice is between a new $1,000 phone and this security key, $70 isn't that much.

If you're already planning to buy a new iPhone in September, you should probably wait to buy any accessories. (And in truth, my gut is that Apple will stick with lightning on iPhones for some time.)

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

#18
I thought Yubikey NEO supported NFC on iPhones. I remember reading there was some flaky support for a while, then a new SDK was released for iOS 11. Is there any advantage to using the pluggable Lightning Yubikey over the NEO? Perhaps better app support?

Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key

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post #14

Just out of curiosity, is Apple migrating away from Lightning toward USB-C? $70 for one key is a bit steep especially if Apple eventually shelves Lightning on iPhones.

So far it sounds like the next iPhone will still use lightning, so you should be safe using this Yubikey for a few years at least.

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> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…

> cloning a Yubico key This should be impossible.

It might not be impossible, but surely non-trivial. Add to that that it has to be done in a undetectable way and the key owner needs to be parted for the key in the time it takes to make the clone.
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