Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
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Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
#2Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app?
Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same codes (I've upgraded phones and taken my codes with me before...) but whose to stop someone from cloning a Yubico key?
Again I'm not an expert, but I do want to know if this is purely marketing hype or if there's some security to Yubikey and friends that I'm not aware of.
Also pardon me if I confused two-factor as the Google Authenticator app. Too many "factor" terms get a bit confusing after a while.
Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
#3Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
#4> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…
For example, Google reported that deploying U2F blocked all phising attempts of their employees : https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neu....
Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
#5> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…
This should be impossible.
Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
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#7Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
#8> Security keys offer almost unbeatable security and can protect against a variety of threats, including nation-state attackers. Alright, I'm not a security expert, but I'm not completely illiterate to basic computer security. Anyone care to chime in how this is much more secure than a two-factor app? Sure there's the obvious, nobody can just copy the two-factor app off my phone with all the codes and have the same c…
1. They can steal the secret, from you or from the other party (the service you're authenticating to)
2. They can relay your answer, without knowing the secret and since the answer is genuine their relayed answer will be accepted. Example you type the One Time Code into https://fakebank.example/ thinking it is your bank, then the bad guys simply paste that same code into https://realbank.example the actual site of your bank and it works - they get into your account.
FIDO Security Keys don't use a shared secret, instead they use public key crypto. Your Security Key proves it is still the same key as it was when you registered, but the remote site doesn't have any secrets so they could even _publish_ the data they store to authenticate you and that wouldn't matter to the system's security.
And it relies on the web browser to tie the FQDN into the data signed. If you press the button on the Security Key on https://fakebank.example/ the results are only proof for fakebank, operated by the bad guys, if they forward it to https://realbank.example/ it won't work because the name is wrong and it doesn't match.
Does that help? There are a bunch of other cool things about Security Keys, but those are the main ways it's simply better for security than a conventional TOTP-style second factor.
Re: Yubico launches its dual USB-C and Lightning two-factor security key
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#10I think I'd preferred if they offered a USB-C and USB-A combo.