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the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.
Yes, a product that does not currently exist is a good competitor for products you can buy today.
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the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.
I myself was waiting for the Taycan, its looks stunning, and is very impressive, but on pure specs, its actually the same size as a Model 3 Performance, and a little slower... So I just ordered a Model 3 Performance. I currently drive a Model S.
Handling: There is no way the Tesla will handle similarly to a Porsche. Steering feel, cornering, road feel. Porsche is the king of handling for a reason, and I'm anxious to see what they can accomplish with the low CG of an electric vehicle.
Consistency: The Porsche can keep doing pulls from 100% down to 10% charge consistently with no performance degradation. This was actually Porsche's main focus, an actual electric track car.
Fit and Finish: Again, anybody who's seen both a Porsche and a Tesla up close will know it's not even a competition.
Charge Time: The Porsche will charge twice as fast as a Tesla, which (assuming you can find a fast enough charger) is pretty cool for quick recharges.
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> but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road This applies to practically every American designed car before ~2010
This is unfair. The US had a long history of very nice looking cars up until the 1980s through 2010s...
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Dunno, at Autobahn speeds (~155mph) both the 3 and S seemed way noisier than a 3L straight-six BMW 7er. Tons of road noise, tons of wind noise. Although the Teslas had worse tires on them.
Part of the problem with Tesla though is that things like the stock tyres really aren't as good as they should be for a car costing what they do.
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It compares to the Model Y in size but to the Model X on price. This doesn’t seem like a winning combination. Edit: that’s a bit too glib. I’m sure it’ll do just fine as a niche product for a certain group of buyers, which is what Jaguar is all about. It’s just not really competing with Tesla, which is trying hard to go after the mass market.
Based on sales, I still consider Tesla a niche. The Camry sells about 3x the Model 3. When you compare the M3/S to all of Nissan/Toyota/Honda/Kia/Hyundai/Mazda/Acura/Infinity/BMW/MB/VW-Audi sales in the US, it's a drop in the bucket. And that's just "imported" cars. Add US automakers and it drops even further. EDIT- Forgot about Honda and the Korean car makers too.
Nokia used to sell way more phones than anyone else too.
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No, the Teslas are behind the Hyundais and the I-Pace in What Car?'s "Real Range" test cycle. Here's a better link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7137701/Bes... https://whatcar.com/news/what-car-real-range-which-electric-... What Car? claims its test cycle is more realistic and more representative of actual range. The best Tesla finishes fourth. The Kia e-Niro is equal second with the Jaguar I-Pace…
Well, they didn't include any of Tesla's long range models and i-pace owners have been saying (on forums) that their real world range is much less than the official number.
How far can the best Tesla go in 24 hours? The Porsche Taycan can do 3,425 KMs:
https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/porsche-taycan-electric-car-2...
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> SUV's are simply trucks for which the cargo is the family rather than a lawnmower. In this discussion something should be pointed out: in the US there is a whole segment of SUV that is basically a truch chassis with a passenger compartment. This whole segment of car is more or less unknown outside the US. In the rest of the world the big SUV is the X5/Q7 segment, and below that there are smaller types of SUVs and c…
Body-on-frame SUVs are also big in Australia. Most of the major companies there make one: Ford Everest, Holden TrailBlazer, Toyota Fortuner, etc. Oddly enough, in the US body-on-frame SUVs are basically dying. They're only viable in the full-size segment, which is nonexistent in Europe. And we only have four companies that make them in that segment. We have the GM triplets (Chevy Tahoe/Suburban, GMC Yukon family, Cad…
Anyway: the point was: some US consumers would call the X5/Q7 family "crossovers" because of their body style, whereas I'd call that "full size SUV", and that sometimes leads to confusion in the discussion.
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Yes, a product that does not currently exist is a good competitor for products you can buy today.
It already exists and it's launching next year... several reviewers have already driven one.
Yes, a product that you can't currently buy is a good competitor for products you can.
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Do you seriously think most people who buy larger cars now actually need them? Of course not. People do cross comparisons and generally prefer the Model 3 for a variety of reasons. And it's cheaper.
Very weird argument. So why are they buying them if they don't "need them". And why would that reason change for model 3?