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YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by pjc50 »

wyoh wrote: post #71
monocasa wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't. LGBTQ is a category that gets special cased in order to block homophobic creators. But it mainly just blocks pro-LGBTQ creators because the homophobic creators are more likely to speak in dog whistles that the blocking algorithms don't understand, whereas the pro-LGBTQ creators speak frankly and quote homophobic speech in order to comment on it.

LGBT creators are not a special case, all news and politics commentators I follow are demonetized, all gun related channels as well.

That's probably a sign that you're being radicalised and should find some saner news and politics commentators.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by pjc50 »

username90 wrote: post #91
tareqak wrote: post #43

Here is a graph of how this thread trended: http://hnrankings.info/20709563/ .

Why would it do that? Did some moderator intervene?

Ironically, it's an opaque algorithm.

(Moderators will often, but not always, say if they've rescued a page. It's possible this got aggressively flagged off the front page and was rescued.)

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by vintermann »

username90 wrote: post #89
mushufasa wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about attaching a 'reputation' score to the flagger? E.g. something like: - if there are sufficient flags, trigger a moderator review - flaggers who correctly flagged content get +1 score or -1 score if not that would make it harder for people to consistently flag content maliciously. Like age-old moderation systems such as calling 911 or police. If you abuse calling 911, you can get fined. I imagine this has be…

You don't think they tried everything already? Youtube did that with Youtube Heroes a few years ago: https://www.adweek.com/digital/youtube-heroes-will-let-users...

They have far from tried everything. It's true, they have tried one variant of the "just anoint the power users and be done with it" model, which with a few variations is used on everything from reddit to wikipedia 4chan to stack overflow.

But it didn't work. YouTube is too diverse and too popular, it has no clear "naturally" anointable moderator types.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by Mirioron »

goatinaboat wrote: post #80
Fomite wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We may be hitting the point where societal impact is great enough that people don't necessarily accept "We can't do that at scale" as an out.

Indeed. Given the vast wealth Google etc have accumulated its clear that actually, they could afford to do it, and still make good, but not astounding, profits. The rationale “we can’t make as much money as we’d like to if we followed the law” just won’t wash.

The platform economics change in that case. Right now, anybody can upload content for free and it'll appear very quickly on the channel. If you increase the cost per video by mandating human oversight on videos, then YouTube will probably remove the ability for (most) people to upload videos for free.

I don't think that that's preferable for society.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by chii »

goatinaboat wrote: post #80
Fomite wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We may be hitting the point where societal impact is great enough that people don't necessarily accept "We can't do that at scale" as an out.

Indeed. Given the vast wealth Google etc have accumulated its clear that actually, they could afford to do it, and still make good, but not astounding, profits. The rationale “we can’t make as much money as we’d like to if we followed the law” just won’t wash.

it does, if the profit motive is the only motive.

Google and company has no reason to not do the minimal acceptable amount. They aren't bound by morals, nor do they owe "society" anything. Shareholders also demand more and more profits, and so the result you see is the inevitable outcome, and it can't be any other way. Unless "society" wills it by voting in people who then make new laws to change the outcome.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by icebraining »

collyw wrote: post #100
solveit wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the vast wealth Google etc have accumulated its clear that actually, they could afford to do it, and still make good, but not astounding, profits. Citation very much needed.

You need citation to prove that Google is rich?

They need a citation to prove that Google is rich enough. According to stats, they were getting 400 hours of new video every minute - and that was back in 2015, it's probably at least 600 nowadays, as more people have been getting online. How much would it cost, with all overheads, to review all that?

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by tu7001 »

Is it a joke? In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. The question is why the are able to censor content. I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc.

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by icebraining »

lukaszkups wrote: post #85

> Specifically, the lawsuit accuses YouTube of filtering, demonetizing, and otherwise limiting videos that deal with LGBTQ identities, making it hard for their creators to reach a wide audience and make money. The suit alleges violations of free-speech protections and civil rights, among other statutes, and seeks class-action status. But the youtube isn't a public institution - it's a private platform - does that app…

They're making the case that YouTube is a "public forum", which would limit the owner's ability to regulate speech in it. I don't think that claim has much of a leg to stand on, considering the recent Supreme Court decision: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190617/16001942415/supre... and a previous decision by a lower court against YouTube itself: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180327/14362539515/court...

Re: YouTube’s LGBTQ Problem Is a Business-Model Problem

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Post by ChickeNES »

icebraining wrote: post #107
collyw wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need citation to prove that Google is rich?

They need a citation to prove that Google is rich enough . According to stats, they were getting 400 hours of new video every minute - and that was back in 2015, it's probably at least 600 nowadays, as more people have been getting online. How much would it cost, with all overheads, to review all that?

Also, content reviewers for Google and Facebook have straight up developed PTSD from the things they've seen, that has to be factored in as well.
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