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Who knew "resistance is futile, you will be fulfilled" was a thing, not even George Orwell saw that one coming.
Frankly, I find it appalling that this person is being aggressive towards the people she is supposidly trying to "help". This isn't a "let's fight the man" kind of mentality, but a "You're not getting what you deserve, and I'll tell you what you need" kind of mentality - quite pretentious". Having worked for a far lower minimum wage at 10 hours a day, I can understand Amazon employees plight. I also know two people w…
Also there is something else very fishy about the accounts, check this out. What do you think about this?
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...
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That jumped out at me too. My reading was the implication that if there was a union, you would lose that. It seems like a common anti-union talking point, from what I've seen at Walmart and Whole Foods.
In my experience being in a union (against my preferences) it’s not implied, but a fact. Unions have sued their own members for speaking with managers about grievances.
When someone did an end-run around the agreed-upon way of handling conflict, and thought they'd go leverage their personal friendship with the manager to get what they want? Yeah, I could how that might happen, that's one of things unions often try to prevent.
What's the endgame here? What is this person hoping to accomplish by harassing the Twitter-jockeys at Amazon? Is Amazon supposed to say "Oh, someone was snarky to our employees on Twitter, now all warehouse employees make six figures and only work 20 minutes a day"? Instead of wasting time by publicly mocking someone who either A. is actually having a good experience working at Amazon B. isn't but doesn't want to los…
I mean, by your logic, couldn't I ask you why you are making this post and not instead making lasting change by starting a competing social media site where no non-impactful conversations happen?
What's the endgame here? What is this person hoping to accomplish by harassing the Twitter-jockeys at Amazon? Is Amazon supposed to say "Oh, someone was snarky to our employees on Twitter, now all warehouse employees make six figures and only work 20 minutes a day"? Instead of wasting time by publicly mocking someone who either A. is actually having a good experience working at Amazon B. isn't but doesn't want to los…
What's the endgame here? What is this person hoping to accomplish by harassing the Twitter-jockeys at Amazon? Is Amazon supposed to say "Oh, someone was snarky to our employees on Twitter, now all warehouse employees make six figures and only work 20 minutes a day"? Instead of wasting time by publicly mocking someone who either A. is actually having a good experience working at Amazon B. isn't but doesn't want to los…
Should people not complain about a company's poor work conditions on a public forum? I'm really confused, because what you're arguing here is that there is no reason to say anything ever unless you are taking immediate action to fix that. I mean, by your logic, couldn't I ask you why you are making this post and not instead making lasting change by starting a competing social media site where no non-impactful convers…
Don't complain to the victims that they are not acting sufficiently victim-like to confirm your preconceived notions of what their lives are like based on that 10 minute John Oliver segment you watched.
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Maybe I'm missing something but the text is nearly identical except to show how forums might provide similar motivations. That's pretty redundant. HN is pretty strict about low quality content and such, that's not "proving a point" it's just a question of local traditions. Personal I've little regard for "you're proving my point by down-voting me" kind of arguments, it's always almost self serving and either a questi…
So we're on the same page, I understood qwsxyh to be making reference to hacker news. In view of that the up/down votes clearly aren't what make twitter what it is, or else HN would be the same, and I hope we can both agree that it isn't. So what is the difference? Id say culture, you're saying traditions (potato, potahto), so what is that culture? I would say at minimum communicating a reason for downvotes, rather t…
The differences between HN's system, and twitters is pretty obvious IMO.
Just at the most obvious twitter limits the amount of text. I doubt the average HN post would even fit on twitter. That's a pretty significant difference just to start.
>So it isn't about "you're proving my point by down-voting me"
I don't know what you mean by that.
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>you're either with them or against them. well if you're dealing with a corporate entity the size of amazon and their weird bot/shill twitter army that's pretty much the only sane response. Do you seriously think if you chat nicely with these PR people they're going to hook you up with someone who matters and amazon is going to have a nice chat about their anti-union practises with you over a cup of tea? Makes about…
Putting aside that you've given up entirely on any form of discourse with the account you're responding to... You aren't only talking to that account - you are having a public conversation in front of millions of people. ...and if the discussion goes something like: Company A: "We believe in xyz." Twitter B: "You are an ." ...then what benefit have you delivered to the other millions of people reading? All you are do…
Biting sarcasm is also not bad.
You want to be remembered by your readers and logical, well reasoned arguments dont hold up that well in that regard.
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So I post a video in response to someone using anecdotal evidence as a counterpoint to Amazon treating their workers poorly. Included in the video are testimonials from actual Amazon workers and your response is to dismiss the video because it's not real news, not funny and heavily biased. None of the things you listed have anything to do with the evidence presented. And now I see in your other response in this topic…
Honestly, I was just trying to be silly ;) But you don't really expect us to watch your 20 min video do you? Obviously if folks have bad working conditions, I want them them to improve. But how are 'anecdotes' from people I personally know who work in Amazon FC's any different than 'testimonials' from people on TV. I know at least 2 people who work or have worked in these FC's and they never complained. They worked h…
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So I post a video in response to someone using anecdotal evidence as a counterpoint to Amazon treating their workers poorly. Included in the video are testimonials from actual Amazon workers and your response is to dismiss the video because it's not real news, not funny and heavily biased. None of the things you listed have anything to do with the evidence presented. And now I see in your other response in this topic…
Honestly, I was just trying to be silly ;) But you don't really expect us to watch your 20 min video do you? Obviously if folks have bad working conditions, I want them them to improve. But how are 'anecdotes' from people I personally know who work in Amazon FC's any different than 'testimonials' from people on TV. I know at least 2 people who work or have worked in these FC's and they never complained. They worked h…
I don't care if you watch it or not, but if you're going to comment on it and discredit it, it makes you look silly to do so without watching it.
>Obviously if folks have bad working conditions, I want them them to improve. But how are 'anecdotes' from people I personally know who work in Amazon FC's any different than 'testimonials' from people on TV. I know at least 2 people who work or have worked in these FC's and they never complained. They worked hard & collected their paychecks.
You're acting like the people that you know that never complained somehow cancel out the people complaining. That's not how it works.
>That doesn't mean this is everyone's experience, I'm sure many have been treated poorly. But it goes both ways, we can't assume because some were treated poorly that that is all FC workers experience.
It doesn't go both ways. The fact that you think highlighting some of them are being treated well is troubling. That should be the default. That shouldn't be commendable on Amazon's part.
>I have never worked for Amazon, but I have worked for FedEx unloading trailers by hand. It was back breaking work. The things I hear these workers saying remind me of that job. We were expected to throw boxes nonstop until it was finished, and our boxes per minute thru-put was closely monitored & expected to be kept above a certain level.
Sounds like FedEx has some labor issues to me. Do you think treating people like they're robots is a good thing? Both Amazon and FedEx seem to do so.
>I don't wish poor working conditions on these people, but I also imagine that some of this is getting blown out of proportion.
Where is your evidence that would lend credence to this getting blown out of proportion?