I feel like im talking to the borg • Hacker News Board

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by drngdds » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #125

I feel like this is twitter in a nutshell, and that goes for everyone involved. The very first response is "eally like? cause your workers are liars?" There we go, now the entire conversation is everything or nothing, you're either with them or against them. Then it's off into personal attacks and arguments about followers and etc. Nobody is talking to each other in any of that. They're just posting for everyone else…

I agree in general, but it's not like there was any chance of having a meaningful conversation with people who are actual paid shills.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by ilikehurdles » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

GarrisonPrime wrote: post #73

Frondo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may also stem from some union-busting messaging. One of the talking points that you see on anti-union posters and in videos is "unions get in the way of you talking to your manager, when you can talk to your manager directly you can address concerns straightaway with them." This reminds me of that.

Yes...and is that not factual? My experience being in a union tells me it is.

Not my experience at all.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by Accacin » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

scrozart wrote: post #57

leftyted wrote: post #44

I doubt these are bots. One of them says: > I don't get compensated per tweet. I get paid $15/hr whether I am answering tweets or out on the floor stowing. I do this 2 days a week and 2 days a week I stow. While I think it's weird that Amazon is doing this, I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs. I've done manual labor for less than $15/hr and I'd much rather have a job like that than, say, a job in a rest…

> I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs I agree that these folks are probably real people, but you must have missed the last several month's worth of very public information about the conditions in their warehouses. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-pe... https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-ware... https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-drivers-warehouse-conditions...…

If the conditions are so bad, why are there more complaints? I'm very distrustful of the media in general and feel like they're pushing an agenda more than anything.

I know people personally that work in distribution centres and they find it a perfectly fine job. It'd hard work, yes, but you see complaints like "boiling hot in summer and freezing in winter", and it's like.. yeah.. Which loading bay isn't like that?

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by jordigh » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

blaser-waffle wrote: post #138

runn1ng wrote: post #115

The “ambassadors” are so bad it’s embarrassing. Which leads me to think they are not actually PR professionals (they would actually not talk in such a robotic way), but really low level employees that are paid extra to talk good on social media, and are repeating from some officially sanctioned book of “what you should and shouldn’t say” they don’t sound like Borg, they sound like McDonald’s cashiers, just doing thei…

Most online shill-bots are 1) bots, 2) outsourced to india/china/russia/rural US/etc. They sound like real people who aren't PR execs because that's what they are. They're just hired by [3rd Party Marketing Firm] cuz they're stay at home moms or making use of Mechanical Turk for cash on the side.

According to this article, they're actual warehouse employees who tweet one day and work on the warehouse three other days:

https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/23/what-is-this-weird-twitter...

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by Aloha » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

codingdave wrote: post #13

A real gem in there was the comment of "there is actually an open door policy at the FCs, which allows us to directly communicate with our managers if we have concerns or issues." Think about that for a second. The fact that they feel that is notable to call out, saying they "actually" have that... implies that they believe it is normal to not have an open door policy, and not be allowed to talk to their managers abo…

There is a difference between open door as a matter of policy and open door as a matter of practice. I've dealt with both, and the latter actually works, the former does not. Most retail is the former.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by nmcfarl » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

jpindar wrote: post #106

u35517 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to ask the same. Twitter is utterly unreadble to me. Since they are linked to quite often, I once wanted to give them feedback that their website is pretty bad and _really_ annoying to use with a browser since they nag and nag and nag about using their app instead (just like reddit). Well, that was fruitless since they of course wanted me to have an account for that... The web is not as good nowadays unfort…

So when something of interest (to someone) happens on Twitter it should what? Be ignored? Be summarized without including a link? You are not required to read every post on HN, and you can see on the front page which ones go to sites you don't like.

I’d go with summarized, perhaps with a link. That’s what you are supposed to do if an article you want to link to has a horrible (but not link-bait) title. In this case it has horrible design, it’s no so different.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by duxup » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:01 PM UTC

drngdds wrote: post #141

duxup wrote: post #125

I feel like this is twitter in a nutshell, and that goes for everyone involved. The very first response is "eally like? cause your workers are liars?" There we go, now the entire conversation is everything or nothing, you're either with them or against them. Then it's off into personal attacks and arguments about followers and etc. Nobody is talking to each other in any of that. They're just posting for everyone else…

I agree in general, but it's not like there was any chance of having a meaningful conversation with people who are actual paid shills.

It wasn't going to happen either way I suspect based on the medium and everyone's choices there.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by Barrin92 » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:01 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #125

I feel like this is twitter in a nutshell, and that goes for everyone involved. The very first response is "eally like? cause your workers are liars?" There we go, now the entire conversation is everything or nothing, you're either with them or against them. Then it's off into personal attacks and arguments about followers and etc. Nobody is talking to each other in any of that. They're just posting for everyone else…

>you're either with them or against them.

well if you're dealing with a corporate entity the size of amazon and their weird bot/shill twitter army that's pretty much the only sane response.

Do you seriously think if you chat nicely with these PR people they're going to hook you up with someone who matters and amazon is going to have a nice chat about their anti-union practises with you over a cup of tea? Makes about as much sense as telling hong kongers to be friendly to the people's liberation army

Calling on workers to fight amazon is the only reasonable thing to do and if these combatative tweets bring attention to their PR campaigns than that's a plus

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by ilikehurdles » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC

qwsxyh wrote: post #127

wcoenen wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took your advice, and the fifth message in the list (by "@amazonfcrafael") starts with "(2/2)". I don't see the (1/2) of that message, so it seems parts of the conversation are missing and I'm looking at some kind of automatically generated subset of all the relevant tweets. But I guess I'm "ignorant"...

That's because the amazon bots are bad and don't know how to reply to themselves properly.

Perhaps a lot more people are genuinely ignorant about a "basic website" than you'd think.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by fxleach » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #125

I feel like this is twitter in a nutshell, and that goes for everyone involved. The very first response is "eally like? cause your workers are liars?" There we go, now the entire conversation is everything or nothing, you're either with them or against them. Then it's off into personal attacks and arguments about followers and etc. Nobody is talking to each other in any of that. They're just posting for everyone else…

Thank you. Just a very horrid conversation from both sides.