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Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by C1sc0cat »

GarrisonPrime wrote: post #70
georgehotelling wrote: post #61

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That jumped out at me too. My reading was the implication that if there was a union, you would lose that. It seems like a common anti-union talking point, from what I've seen at Walmart and Whole Foods.

In my experience being in a union (against my preferences) it’s not implied, but a fact. Unions have sued their own members for speaking with managers about grievances.

What sort of grievance here I would normally expect a worker to first use the standard grievance procedure (in most cases) before coming to me.

Or is it "Hi Boss we come from the same village / clan /race how about you put me on that sweet work detail/shift".

I have (in the UK) personally overheard a guy working at a well known company say this - Also Fords at Dagenham had a scandal where white workers monopolised the better jobs.

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Post by manigandham »

sp332 wrote: post #170
manigandham wrote: post #158

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I expected another definition in the context of that comment, but fine. According to that, it's anyone who owns the means to production, and is thus the most open class possible. Rather strange to say they're dividing and conquering when anyone can join.

Anyone who owns the means but does not actually do the work of production. This is in contrast to a worker-owned structure. It leads to concentration of power, since the profit from many workers goes to one or a few owners. Each owner is more powerful than any one worker, so workers have to act collectively to have leverage.

This is a fallacy. If you're going to talk about profit then you must also consider that the risk and loss also goes to owners while workers get paid either way.

This is something that should be rather simple to understand in the HN/Startup crowd. Considering that anyone can buy shares or start their own business, my point stands that this is the most non-exclusive club possible.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by C1sc0cat »

Yoric wrote: post #182
username90 wrote: post #165

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If a company is bad you can just switch to another company, if a powerful union is bad you'd have to switch to another industry.

I imagine that this may be true, but only if there's a single union in the industry. Why on Earth would that be the case?

They are assuming the German sector based model here.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by Marsymars »

jpindar wrote: post #106
u35517 wrote: post #40

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Came here to ask the same. Twitter is utterly unreadble to me. Since they are linked to quite often, I once wanted to give them feedback that their website is pretty bad and _really_ annoying to use with a browser since they nag and nag and nag about using their app instead (just like reddit). Well, that was fruitless since they of course wanted me to have an account for that... The web is not as good nowadays unfort…

So when something of interest (to someone) happens on Twitter it should what? Be ignored? Be summarized without including a link? You are not required to read every post on HN, and you can see on the front page which ones go to sites you don't like.

> So when something of interest (to someone) happens on Twitter it should what? Be ignored? Be summarized without including a link?

Yes? For non-users, it's only marginally less bad than a Facebook page that requires a login, and people mostly don't go aronud sharing links to Facebook threads.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by rtkwe »

vinceguidry wrote: post #86
Reedx wrote: post #31

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It’s astonishing people are so confident these are bots. No real evidence of that and it’s more likely they’re real. Occam’s razor.

The evidence came a bit further down with one commenter posting a picture of one being male in one post and female in another.

I think it's more likely they all use shared computers and one person didn't log out of their account. The same way Ted Cruz's account liked a porn tweet about some incest porn, media guy (because as much as I love the idea of Ted f*ing Cruz trolling twitter for some porn I doubt the man runs his own twitter) forgot to log out of the account he was managing, is probably how we got this multi-aged meta human.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by marcosdumay »

inanutshellus wrote: post #8

... imagine this the other way. Imagine that "@rulesObeyer" is the one with the agenda. Imagine RO is paid by a competitor to spread misinformation and "stir the pot", then re-read the thread. Suddenly RO seems incapable of reason or adapting in the face of clear evidence against its assertions. It makes for a fun read. (Similarly, "anyone condemning this comment or defending @rulesObeyer must just be @rulesObeyer in…

Whatever side you choose to accept as reasonable, is does still feel like she is talking to the borg.

And yes, the Amazon people talk like politicians. There are actually many people that think politician-talking inspires confidence.

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Post by basscomm »

BeetleB wrote: post #178
aerovistae wrote: post #76

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Not seeing it. RO is speaking like a real person with pretty reasonable arguments; the others feel like exactly what she accuses them of being: paid shills.

>are you a robot, did they make a bunch of ai to lie for them instead of helping real workers Talking to a real human this way is not reasonable. Nor is it an argument. >how much are you compensated per tweet like this This is like the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" When the assumption of malintent/guilt is there from the start, you're setting yourself up for a very unreasonable conversation. >so they…

>>so they’re paying you to tweet that you like your job, which is tweeting about liking your job...lol yes!! you are paid to say that you like your job. it’s your job!

>This is very likely false, and she is actively ignoring people who are saying it is false.

She's technically correct in the same way that it's technically correct to say that if I take a restroom break while on the clock that I'm getting paid to use the restroom.

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Post by rtkwe »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #75
PedroBatista wrote: post #29

They are NOT bots. They are people getting paid a few bucks to spew the Word of the Lord ( in this case Jeff Bezos ) It's the corporate version of troll farms.

Could you explain https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 then?

Person forgets to log out of the shared computer they tweet from/grandma poster messes up in whatever app they use to manage the tweets and uses the wrong profile.

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Post by lukifer »

manigandham wrote: post #108
tehjoker wrote: post #94

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My guess would be that it would be because the member is trying to cut an individual deal on a group problem. This is how the capitalist class practices divide and conquer.

What is the "capitalist class"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by 40four »

TheBranca18 wrote: post #191
Accacin wrote: post #143

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If the conditions are so bad, why are there more complaints? I'm very distrustful of the media in general and feel like they're pushing an agenda more than anything. I know people personally that work in distribution centres and they find it a perfectly fine job. It'd hard work, yes, but you see complaints like "boiling hot in summer and freezing in winter", and it's like.. yeah.. Which loading bay isn't like that?

The media absolutely pushes an agenda, they are paid to do so. Not many would question that. The difference is, reporting on these things is their job and Amazon is treating their employees like trash. You have to be purposefully ignorant to miss this stuff. It's everywhere! Last Week Tonight broke it down pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A . The fact you think your anecdotal evidence means anyt…

Last Week Tonight isn't real news, it's comedy. Not to mention it's heavily biased.

Also, it's not really that funny :p

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