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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

eklavya wrote: post #165
iamshs wrote: post #11

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Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

How are sikhs worse in Punjab now? The 1984 riots were perpetrated by the same people who are opposing this move.

Indian Army's official publication, Baatcheet, asked for "Sikhs to be reported to authorities as they are dangerous criminals" in 1990. After such a blanket generalisation, Sikhs were indeed reported to authorities, and killed extra-judiciously. Mothers came to know what happened to their sons through newspapers replete with a photo of a cop getting bounty alongside the article branding her son as a militant. Just last month, 3 policemen were convicted of one such extrajudicial killing, and they were all pardoned by Punjab governor. Same governor attended a convocation ceremony where a student handed him a letter protesting the pardon of criminals, and the student was instead issued a show-cause notice of why a guest was humiliated. So nothing, it's all hunky dory in Punjab right now.

BTW, this is a classic Hindu Nationalist propaganda move. Justify past excesses, whitewash them by saying everything is pleasant in the present. Also, use an ad-hominem and paint the other as an opponent instantly.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

virtuabhi wrote: post #153
iamshs wrote: post #97

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Planet’s satellites use Indian launch vehicles due to their economic viability. They were muted in their response to Debris in outer soace due to Indian anti satellite test.

Any support for your statement? If not, can you stop commenting on this thread? IMO you have degraded this thread enough.

Degraded? Oh, is it looking bad for India? Then India should stop doing bad things. 10 Million people are caged right now, while you can express yourself and you have the audacity to try to mute me too now.

Here's your source, I am not into bullshit:

“While Planet enjoys a great working partnership with agencies of India’s government — like ISRO — we categorically condemn the anti-satellite missile intercept recently conducted by India’s defense department,” the San Francisco-based company tweeted March 27. “Space should be used for peaceful purposes, and destroying satellites on orbit severely threatens the long-term stability of the space environment for all space operators. Planet urges all space-capable nations to respect our orbital commons.”

Planet will still not be boycotting ISRO and using them for the upcoming launch of 5th series of Dove satellites.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

eklavya wrote: post #161
iamshs wrote: post #143

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You know what else has been a top agenda for BJP? Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan. That is, single language, single religion, single nation. BJP is a Hindu Nationalist party, and just because it is in their manifesto doesn’t mean it should have been fulfilled. The question to ask is, why is in their manifesto when there are other regions in India with similar laws? It is in their manifesto because Kashmir is a Muslim majorit…

“Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan”, this takes Hindu as identity like American and not a religion. “When there are other regions ...”, no, laws passed by the parliament were applicable everywhere except in Kashmir. So you had gems like child marriage not outlawed. It’s lazy and biased journalism to just label them Hindu nationalists and portray them like some sort of evil overlords. India for centuries has been the most inclu…

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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by eklavya »

iamshs wrote: post #191
eklavya wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are sikhs worse in Punjab now? The 1984 riots were perpetrated by the same people who are opposing this move.

Indian Army's official publication, Baatcheet, asked for "Sikhs to be reported to authorities as they are dangerous criminals" in 1990. After such a blanket generalisation, Sikhs were indeed reported to authorities, and killed extra-judiciously. Mothers came to know what happened to their sons through newspapers replete with a photo of a cop getting bounty alongside the article branding her son as a militant. Just la…

Wow, you are on hyper drive in the entire thread.

When what how did you come to the conclusions from my post? What exactly made me a propagandist?

You have got to be kidding with Sikh regiment being one of the most valiant branches of Indian Army and a really high number of Indian Army soldiers per capita from Punjab.

There was Pakistan sponsored terrorism in Punjab, there isn't anymore.

Also citation needed for everything you said.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by codeddesign »

Vivtek wrote: post #90
reaperducer wrote: post #23

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

Or imagine an island hit by a hurricane. The lack of sufficient physical cash on-island in Puerto Rico after Maria in our telecomms-free condition was paralyzing for a couple of weeks. And that's the US, no weird third-world phone-only transactions, just no Visa network for a while.

While it is a territory, I wouldn’t categorize it to be similar to Hawaii. They are essentially autonomous compared to US states. This also means (whether anyone likes it or not) they are placed on a separate priority than a place like Hawaii or Alaska. Could you imagine Hawaii shutting down? Internet would be back up in 1 day.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

mycall wrote: post #174
iamshs wrote: post #143

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You know what else has been a top agenda for BJP? Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan. That is, single language, single religion, single nation. BJP is a Hindu Nationalist party, and just because it is in their manifesto doesn’t mean it should have been fulfilled. The question to ask is, why is in their manifesto when there are other regions in India with similar laws? It is in their manifesto because Kashmir is a Muslim majorit…

When I look at "What are the Most Spoken Languages in the World?"[0], I see so many in or around India, I can understand the need for unification of languages. [0] https://www.fluentin3months.com/most-spoken-languages

Unification of languages movement in India has an incredibly bitter experience for minorities. Just one example, a Hindu Nationalist group in Punjab opposed Punjabi as a language of Punjab, and if not acceptable, as a compromise they wanted Punjabi to be written in Devnagri, same script as that of Hindi. Same group led a very successful campaign in 1960s for Punjabi Hindus to change their mother tongue to Hindi instead of Punjabi in national census. They opposed Punjabi on religious lines.

Let's not bulldoze diversity with the sole aim to unify. The consequences are disastrous.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by codeddesign »

jefftk wrote: post #99
BurningFrog wrote: post #64

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> Imagine saying this about electricity or gasoline You can store both in dunks and batteries. If someone invents a way to bottle spare internet, that's the next unicorn for sure :)

Satellite internet, with batteries or a generator, works even when local conflict shuts down pretty much everything else.

Satellites are extremely directional. A foreign entity can’t just launch a satellite over night. You could move a satellites trajectory hypothetically, but at what cost and what loss to the current users of that satellite. It’s just not realistic. US satellite internet providers are telcos. If cable is shutoff, it’s easy to shutoff satellite by a government. If it’s just power outage by a 3rd party, then satellite is the best option. However...how would you pay for it??

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

vakataka wrote: post #171
iamshs wrote: post #146

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If India is so secular why is there a tax law called Hindu Undivided Family or HUF, which Muslims cannot use to reduce their taxable income? How can a damn tax law be applicable on basis of religion? If it is so secular then why does Indian Constitution term Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs under Hindu religion umbrella. Since when is it for the constitution to define religions? If India is so secular than why does it ban…

FYI, Indian Muslims have their own personal law while the rest of the population follows uniform civil code. They get Hajj subsidies and other perks that no other community gets. As for taking refugees, a country can deny entry based on any number of reasons. In 2018, the number of refugees taken in by the US has gone down. That doesn't mean US is less secular. I agree Indian constitution is not the most secular but…

Hindus are also given subsidies for travel to their religious sites, inside India and to China. Mansarovar Lake and Amarnath pilgrimage.

So that is one propaganda point of yours busted.

Let's bust the second point: Why are only Muslim refugees being expelled, and why is there a specific citizenship law that gives Indian citizenship to Hindus and excludes Muslims?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

kbad1000 wrote: post #177
iamshs wrote: post #143

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You know what else has been a top agenda for BJP? Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan. That is, single language, single religion, single nation. BJP is a Hindu Nationalist party, and just because it is in their manifesto doesn’t mean it should have been fulfilled. The question to ask is, why is in their manifesto when there are other regions in India with similar laws? It is in their manifesto because Kashmir is a Muslim majorit…

That's pure lies and propaganda. The brutal atrocities in past by invaders should not be forgiven, however, this doesn't mean to hate the descendents. It is BJP which abolished Tripple Talaq, it is BJP which decriminalized homosexuality (Congress did not because it would hurt their voter base of Muslims), it is BJP, which is giving benefits on the basis of income, etc. Kashmir was and is integral part of India and it…

'And to be clear NYT, BBC, Al-Jazeera, Bloomberg and even DW have anti-India sentiments because of lobbying and the vested interests.'

Hmmm vested interests going against India. My sympathies.

'It is the Hindu philosophy which is the most inclusive and that is why India was and is most diverse nation on the planet and not any Western nation.'

Your fragility is showing.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by eklavya »

iamshs wrote: post #193
eklavya wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Hindi, Hindu, Hindustan”, this takes Hindu as identity like American and not a religion. “When there are other regions ...”, no, laws passed by the parliament were applicable everywhere except in Kashmir. So you had gems like child marriage not outlawed. It’s lazy and biased journalism to just label them Hindu nationalists and portray them like some sort of evil overlords. India for centuries has been the most inclu…

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