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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by mav3rick »

vakataka wrote: post #144
throwaway99033 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a reasonable point, and I do try to keep some perspective. The number of “likes” and retweets for the hateful posts does seem to scale for India’s massive population. India also has a long history of deadly “communal violence”, something that doesn’t really happen in other democracies. If questioning whether it’s wise for companies like Twitter and WhatsApp to allow incitement for violence to exist in such an…

There is a reason for proliferation of hate on Twitter and that is the skewed form of secularism that the Indian state has followed all these years. Those who have lived in India know that most of the time the state is lenient towards minorities even when they commit crimes. Even history has been whitewashed to portray invaders as benign rulers so as to not offend minorities. In some ways the Indian Natinal Congress…

Every party panders to their vote bank. It isn't different from anywhere. Just so you know my original point wasn't proBJP or pro INC. Secularism and diversity is hard. That doesn't mean we forget our tenets

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

I can't understand how anyone who stands for gender equality and minority rights can support Kashmir being autonomous.

This move by the Indian government is objectively good for minorities (Christians, Hindus, Jains etc) and women in the state.

https://www.dailyo.in/voices/article-35a-women-in-kashmir-fu...

Kashmir had 70 years to rectify this after Independence but to chose to double down on ethnic cleansing of minorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by virtuabhi »

iamshs wrote: post #97
sumedh wrote: post #79

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> Can those companies fund a few days' I assume these companies dont want any trouble from the Indian Govt if they have business in India.

Planet’s satellites use Indian launch vehicles due to their economic viability. They were muted in their response to Debris in outer soace due to Indian anti satellite test.

Any support for your statement? If not, can you stop commenting on this thread? IMO you have degraded this thread enough.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by jefftk »

wtmt wrote: post #149
jefftk wrote: post #99

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Satellite internet, with batteries or a generator, works even when local conflict shuts down pretty much everything else.

Satellite Internet access would also be shutdown in a scenario like this, since it would be the government permitting or denying who operates a satellite to provide such services and the associated spectrum used...unless other countries or individuals are able to put up satellites to help people in oppressive regimes (slightly similar to the concept of Tor). Is there something like this? Perhaps neighboring countries…

Blocking satellites is much harder than shutting off the internet by ordering the telcos to. Jamming is possible, but takes a large commitment. Destroying satellites from unaligned countries is an even larger commitment, and not a great plan if you want to keep them unaligned.

In practice satellite very often works when nothing else does.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by la12 »

owaislone wrote: post #119
kobiguru wrote: post #43

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To know more about the referendum read this -- See what Para 5 says. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1949v06/d1...

Is this the official position of Indian Government right now? I don't think so. When was the last time India said they are eager or even open to holding a plebiscite if Pakistan military vacated it's part of Kashmir? AFAIR, India has always said Kashmir is it's internal matter and integral part and they proved it by literally annexing it 10 days ago. So no, Indian Government does not believe in paragraph five at all…

Can you just answer one question?

Do you honestly believe that Kashmir would in reality ever exist as an independent country when it is such a strategic piece of land between 3 nuclear powers?

If not, Pakistan's argument about "Independence" of Kashmir is rendered moot because it is a roundabout way of annexing Kashmir for itself.

If we understand the above, the status quo of Kashmir with India doesn't seem so bad for Kashmiri minorities who have been systematically driven out/converted/executed in the PoK region right from the time of Pakistani occupation.

And these here are the cold hard facts instead of waxing hypothetically.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by unmole »

amalag wrote: post #117
owaislone wrote: post #83

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Immense violence started in Kashmir back in 1989 when India pulled off something like this the last time. It started dying out by 1995-96 as India adopted a more democratic and less militaristic approach to Kashmir (Vajpayee's Kashmiriyat, Insaniyat, Jamburiyat) right until the current Government came in and started going back to the militaristic approach by quelling protests by brute-force. This move is not going to…

This is BS. Pakistani jihadis are not overcome with any kind words. The isolation of Kashmir was the problem and the government has taken the solution that the majority of the country agrees with. The only people complaining are English language media who Modi has never cared about.

Does majority of the state agree with the decision?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by hemansan »

India is preventing the fate of Yugoslavia.

It would have been occupation if Kashmiris had lesser rights but that's not the case. People don't ask what rights did people of Kashmir didn't have that people of India had since 1947.

India is a country of diverse religions, and ethnic groups. If a minority group demands separate nation should you give autonomy to it? If London becomes Muslim majority, and demands separation, should England give in to that demand?

If India gives away Kashmir, it means you can never trust minority of your country because they can ask for separate nation and the world will support that demand.

Do we really think that helps the cause of minorities in India or any other country in the world?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by vakataka »

mav3rick wrote: post #151
vakataka wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a reason for proliferation of hate on Twitter and that is the skewed form of secularism that the Indian state has followed all these years. Those who have lived in India know that most of the time the state is lenient towards minorities even when they commit crimes. Even history has been whitewashed to portray invaders as benign rulers so as to not offend minorities. In some ways the Indian Natinal Congress…

Every party panders to their vote bank. It isn't different from anywhere. Just so you know my original point wasn't proBJP or pro INC. Secularism and diversity is hard. That doesn't mean we forget our tenets

I am not taking any sides either. I am just giving the context for current events.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by la12 »

iamshs wrote: post #146
thanks1banks2 wrote: post #133

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India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

If India is so secular why is there a tax law called Hindu Undivided Family or HUF, which Muslims cannot use to reduce their taxable income? How can a damn tax law be applicable on basis of religion? If it is so secular then why does Indian Constitution term Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs under Hindu religion umbrella. Since when is it for the constitution to define religions? If India is so secular than why does it ban…

I'm not sure why you're avoiding talking about the role of Pakistan in creating the whole conflict in Kashmir. Pakistan invented out of the whole cloth an armed struggle aspect to the Kashmir situation.

It's extremely convenient on your part to talk pointwise all the Pakistani talking points and yet avoid talking about the 90% causative factor in this entire mess.

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Post by kobiguru »

owaislone wrote: post #119
kobiguru wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To know more about the referendum read this -- See what Para 5 says. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1949v06/d1...

Is this the official position of Indian Government right now? I don't think so. When was the last time India said they are eager or even open to holding a plebiscite if Pakistan military vacated it's part of Kashmir? AFAIR, India has always said Kashmir is it's internal matter and integral part and they proved it by literally annexing it 10 days ago. So no, Indian Government does not believe in paragraph five at all…

Two factual errors

1. Amnesty International is not a UN organisation.

2. India didn't Annex Kashmir, it has been an Indian state since independence.

3. Kashmir special status was given and revocation according to the Indian constitution.

4. I cited the oldest communique from a reliable source.

Stop shifting goal post when you can't argue the point.

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