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India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by 420codebro »

reaperducer wrote: post #23

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

To that I say having diversity of connectivity physically (diverse fiber paths) and logically (BGP) is probably the best defense. I concede your point of the risk. However I don’t think we should cower in fear of such a thing - we should use this as inspiration to build a robust infrastructure.

All of this is moot if you are getting raped between two bigger powers who don’t care about you - that is a Layer 8 issue.

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Post by jkoudys »

reaperducer wrote: post #23

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

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Post by chopete »

We have so many satellites up there that can stream photos of specific locations.

Can those companies fund a few days' worth of live streaming of key areas? It gives everybody an option to see the reality/facts instead of opinions.

Nobody knows whom to trust in these crisis times and everything appears as an opinion of an individual or a small group.

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Post by squirrelicus »

owaislone wrote: post #53
squirrelicus wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful: this is the exact same line of reasoning the alt-right uses to conclude ethnostates. Or if you want to take the intersectionalist view to its conclusion: Maybe we should have a White President to govern white people, and a Black President to govern black people, and a Muslim President to govern Muslims, and a Fat President to govern fat people. Wait a second, what about fat white Muslims, shouldn't they h…

I think you misunderstood my comment or I failed to explain what I was trying to say. My point was that any nation state unilaterally revoking the autonomy of a region is undemocratic unless the people of that region vote for it. Imagine the Spanish military marching into Catalonia, shutting down all means of communication, arresting most Catalan politicians, lawyers and activists, and then unilaterally dismantling t…

Let's see, a challenge!

Just kidding, I don't view the world that way. But I will highlight that, historically, it's been common to have various degrees of autonomy across nation states. Even today, Californians are consistently choosing less autonomy than other U.S. states.

But I digress. Another digression might involve suggesting undemocratic things are not implicitly bad, even if the rule of democracy is better. Putting down rebellions, for example. Or increasing police presence in high crime areas where criminals, or those scared of them, wouldn't vote for it.

But more to the core of the point, I'm not sure it's helpful to proliferate the perspective that variation in autonomy (or standard of living or what have you) is primarily a consequence of group identity without extraordinarily convincing reasons to believe so. Doing so opens the door to suggesting that that ought to be how it is, if the Other is, in your your view, trying to reduce your autonomy. An example where this might be justified is the literal concentration camps that the Chinese continue to impose on their religious and ethnic minorities.

The American culture is starting to see everything through group identity colored goggles, and that spells complete destruction for the country and our ability to reason about diplomacy.

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Post by kappi »

chopete wrote: post #58
kappi wrote: post #47

Don't believe everything NYT writes. they have their own agenda. https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/11602217869500989...

These could be old videos. I always wondered why doesn't the government install a few hundred web cams across the big cities for the rest of world, including the journalists to see the reality. Why do only the journalists have to travel there and take pictures of whatever corner they want and tell whatever story they want to tell.

fakenews NYT is more reliable than someone on the ground.. hilarious check the twitter feed this journalist also https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1161226787352825856 The only time I accepted Govt offer was to take around 40-50 journalists in batches of 5 on a chopper to show Srinagar yesterday after Eid prayers. This was to bust rumours of massive protests or state brutality. There were no people visible on the streets. Restrictions in place

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Post by selimthegrim »

mandeepj wrote: post #61
selimthegrim wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why Amarinder Singh was first to condemn it

Amarinder is from opposition party so he had to condemn it

Are people not allowed to have opinions independent of their party now? There were plenty of Congresspeople who broke ranks and supported it. The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening.

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Post by bowmessage »

jkoudys wrote: post #72
reaperducer wrote: post #23

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

At least not centralised cashless transactions. A mesh network using some kind of crypto is even better at avoiding government interference than cash.

Don’t all cryptos rely on a global network consensus for operation? How would Kashmir’s forked chain resynchronize with the larger chain once back online?

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Post by sumedh »

chopete wrote: post #73

We have so many satellites up there that can stream photos of specific locations. Can those companies fund a few days' worth of live streaming of key areas? It gives everybody an option to see the reality/facts instead of opinions. Nobody knows whom to trust in these crisis times and everything appears as an opinion of an individual or a small group.

> Can those companies fund a few days'

I assume these companies dont want any trouble from the Indian Govt if they have business in India.

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Post by selimthegrim »

wwice wrote: post #34
iamshs wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘Intolerant minority’ Bigoted thoughts do come out eventually. Minorities always need to be taught a lesson in World’s largest democracy.

In Indian Kashmir the minorities were Hindus. They were kicked out by the Islamists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Terrorist organizations like ISIS, JEM and ISI took over and now the talk of independence has been missing for a long time. It is all about Islam.

So nobody who is Muslim is ever allowed to have thoughts that aren't communal? They're not allowed to ask for independence as human beings? My God, is this what you all would have done to Cabinet Mission Plan?
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