Live data from Hacker News

India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

nytimes.com

51–60 of 304 posts

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#51

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

What are you gonna do if the government did the same in your country? Let it be any first world country.

Complain on Twitter? Oops, you can't.

Take it to the streets? So?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#52

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

Well what do you think of Modi’s demonetization and epayment drive now?

I'm not Indian or Kashmiri, and haven't been following this closely until very recently. So I don't really have the information I need to form an opinion, and it would be inappropriate for me to pollute the internet with my thoughts on the subject.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

Be careful: this is the exact same line of reasoning the alt-right uses to conclude ethnostates. Or if you want to take the intersectionalist view to its conclusion: Maybe we should have a White President to govern white people, and a Black President to govern black people, and a Muslim President to govern Muslims, and a Fat President to govern fat people. Wait a second, what about fat white Muslims, shouldn't they h…

I think you misunderstood my comment or I failed to explain what I was trying to say. My point was that any nation state unilaterally revoking the autonomy of a region is undemocratic unless the people of that region vote for it. Imagine the Spanish military marching into Catalonia, shutting down all means of communication, arresting most Catalan politicians, lawyers and activists, and then unilaterally dismantling the Catalan parliament and constitution, just because people in Madrid felt so. I can't imagine anyone on HN trying to justify such a hypothetical event. I don't understand how anyone can justify this.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

> Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. To prevent what exactly? Political dissent? Why can't people in Kashmir right now talk to each other over phone? Why can't they call their loved ones outside the region? Why isn't anyone else allowed to contact them? Why are lawyers, professors and activists being jailed? Why are some people not being allowed to leave the country? Why can't Ind…

Okay, let's say they lift the ban here is how things will transpire.

First, Pakistan's ISPR would start a massive disinformation campaign aided by the separatist who lost all their influence with the present government but has a great following among the Kashmiri Youth.

Then there would immense violence with many dead while the "leaders" and there loved ones stay in a five-star hotel in Delhi.

To prevent a loss of life they had to do it. But it's slowly being downgraded and the curfew is absent in all but 4 districts of erstwhile Jammu and Kashmir

Edit:

I agree with you, that it is bad for people to have no communication channel.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#56

Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

While I understand where you’re coming from, I don’t agree with this sentiment. Imagine saying this about electricity or gasoline. Modern cities would be completely shut down without these resources, and we should treat the Internet in the same way - as a vital resource that we simply accept as present except in the most egregious or catastrophic circumstances.

In many previous conflicts, electricity and gasoline were cut off or in short supply. Being able to keep infrastructure running without them was an important part of the war effort.

Kashmir wasn't independent enough to be able to make state-wide preparations for a conflict with India, but presumably some individuals did.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#57
post #11
post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

This is why Amarinder Singh was first to condemn it

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#58
post #47

Don't believe everything NYT writes. they have their own agenda. https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/11602217869500989...

These could be old videos.

I always wondered why doesn't the government install a few hundred web cams across the big cities for the rest of world, including the journalists to see the reality. Why do only the journalists have to travel there and take pictures of whatever corner they want and tell whatever story they want to tell.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#59
post #50
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Indian Kashmir the minorities were Hindus. They were kicked out by the Islamists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Terrorist organizations like ISIS, JEM and ISI took over and now the talk of independence has been missing for a long time. It is all about Islam.

Rebuttal of this propaganda by a noted academic who is a Kashmiri Hindu herself. https://mobile.twitter.com/NitashaKaul/status/11614847374096...

You can Cherry pick this one and ignore the million others stating the truth.

See here - https://bit.ly/2Z80YRo

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

#60

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it? Maybe they're used to it? FTA: "While Prime Minister Narendra Modi has promoted the rapid adoption of the internet, particularly on smartphones, to modernize India and bring it out of poverty, the country is also the world leader in shutting down the internet. The country has increasingly deployed com…

They're not used to it. Most of them have been fed state propaganda through virtually all media for decades. The rest don't really care and a small minority are going mental over this trying everything they can to pressurize the Government but it isn't working.
Post reply on HN