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India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by saagarjha »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #5
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Any country that has been paying attention in recent years knows that the internet allows the opposition to organize, coordinate, and recruit effectively. The US and China deal with this by ensuring they have leverage over the platforms that people use to communicate. Other countries that do not have this leverage, have to resort to shutting down the internet in areas of unrest.

Yes, but presumably people have a say in the laws that let this happen?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by squirrelicus »

owaislone wrote: post #15
kobiguru wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

Be careful: this is the exact same line of reasoning the alt-right uses to conclude ethnostates.

Or if you want to take the intersectionalist view to its conclusion: Maybe we should have a White President to govern white people, and a Black President to govern black people, and a Muslim President to govern Muslims, and a Fat President to govern fat people. Wait a second, what about fat white Muslims, shouldn't they have a different President than fat black Muslims? Degenerate down only a handful of dimensions over which people vary, and you'll need a President for every individual. Wait a second, we just rediscovered the concept of individual sovereignty.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

tech_dreamer wrote: post #22
owaislone wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

If you are not aware please read the following article to get a complete picture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Oh god, Wikipedia has been taken over. Just look at the language and sources. All actions by India have been sugar coated with flowery language. Governor’s rule and Marshall Law is written as, “This allowed Governor Jagmohan to rule directly”. Not mentioning the fact that he dismissed a democratically elected government on a ruse.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by wwice »

iamshs wrote: post #24
kobiguru wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

‘Intolerant minority’ Bigoted thoughts do come out eventually. Minorities always need to be taught a lesson in World’s largest democracy.

In Indian Kashmir the minorities were Hindus. They were kicked out by the Islamists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Terrorist organizations like ISIS, JEM and ISI took over and now the talk of independence has been missing for a long time. It is all about Islam.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by reaperducer »

saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Maybe they're used to it?

FTA: "While Prime Minister Narendra Modi has promoted the rapid adoption of the internet, particularly on smartphones, to modernize India and bring it out of poverty, the country is also the world leader in shutting down the internet.

The country has increasingly deployed communications and internet stoppages to suppress potential protests, prevent rumors from spreading on WhatsApp, conduct elections and even stop students from cheating on exams. Last year, India blocked the internet 134 times, compared with 12 shutdowns in Pakistan, the No. 2 country, according to Access Now, a global digital rights group, which said its data understates the number of occurrences."

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by rqs »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #5
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Any country that has been paying attention in recent years knows that the internet allows the opposition to organize, coordinate, and recruit effectively. The US and China deal with this by ensuring they have leverage over the platforms that people use to communicate. Other countries that do not have this leverage, have to resort to shutting down the internet in areas of unrest.

You know what, that "resort to" will probably cause more uprising.

Some people maybe don't care about what ever is happening outside, but now they cannot connect to Steam anymore.

China was disconnected Xinjiang from the network in the past. During that time, some Xinjiangers traveled to neighboring province so they can take care their business in some online game. I guess they were the people who received the most piss from the disconnect, not those "uprising organizers".

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by owaislone »

tech_dreamer wrote: post #22
owaislone wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

If you are not aware please read the following article to get a complete picture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

The whole world knows about this. I'm not sure how this is a reply to what I said. Also, https://scroll.in/latest/933560/j-k-group-of-kashmiri-pandit...

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

tlb wrote: post #17
adpirz wrote: post #10

Am Kashmiri. Was born there. Have family there. My parents were born and raised there. This is scary even for a region marked by persistent curfews, border clashes between two nuclear powers, and an ongoing series of conflicts between insurgents and the Indian Army. We have extended family from whom we haven’t heard any news since this went into effect. It’s all just anxious waiting. What could possibly be the endgam…

What's the status of other forms of communication, like postal mail or shortwave radio?

Postal Mail is not available for the region ‘until further orders’.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by throwaway99033 »

Until recently, I had a strongly positive impression of India, as an outsider: rapidly modernizing, forward thinking and tolerant. Indians I meet in real life certainly tend to reinforce that position. However, I stumbled upon Indian Twitter during the election campaign, and I have been shocked by the vicious hatred and massive troll armies, that exceed anything I’ve noticed elsewhere. I imagine that WhatsApp is worse. The shocking behaviour has greatly diminished my opinion of the country, and it now strikes me as a powder-keg of hate.

The article mentions that the internet is being promoted as a way of advancing the country...if that’s advancement, it may be better for India to hit the brakes.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by reaperducer »

godelmachine wrote: post #21

Why hasn’t this been flagged yet? This post violates all guidelines of HackerNews.

Because the article is actually a pretty interesting look at how reliant the world has become on the internet.

“I don’t know when to sleep, when to wake up, what to do with my life,” he said during a rare foray outside on Monday evening for Eid al-Adha, the holiest festival in Islam. “There is no life without internet, even in Kashmir.”

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