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India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

This is why Amarinder Singh was first to condemn it

Amarinder is from opposition party so he had to condemn it

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Am Kashmiri. Was born there. Have family there. My parents were born and raised there. This is scary even for a region marked by persistent curfews, border clashes between two nuclear powers, and an ongoing series of conflicts between insurgents and the Indian Army. We have extended family from whom we haven’t heard any news since this went into effect. It’s all just anxious waiting. What could possibly be the endgam…

Why didn’t PDP grant permanent residency to the Sikh and Hindu refugees in Jammu from Poonch, Rawalakot, etc? No one is saying they would have gratefully voted for them but BJP talking point would have gone. Did they think they would demand the assembly seats from Muzaffarabad, Bagh etc?

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Don't believe everything NYT writes. they have their own agenda. https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/11602217869500989...

These could be old videos. I always wondered why doesn't the government install a few hundred web cams across the big cities for the rest of world, including the journalists to see the reality. Why do only the journalists have to travel there and take pictures of whatever corner they want and tell whatever story they want to tell.

Reminds me of the time terrorists were shooting up Mumbai. A "brave" TV news channel gave live coverage. Intelligence agencies found out that the live coverage was being used by handlers to give specific instructions to the attackers.

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Shopkeepers said that vital supplies like insulin and baby food, which they typically ordered online, were running out. Cash was scarce, as metal shutters covered the doors and windows of banks and A.T.M.s, which relied on the internet for every transaction. Doctors said they could not communicate with their patients. While nobody expects a war in their city, it's yet another example of why none of us should rely on…

While I understand where you’re coming from, I don’t agree with this sentiment. Imagine saying this about electricity or gasoline. Modern cities would be completely shut down without these resources, and we should treat the Internet in the same way - as a vital resource that we simply accept as present except in the most egregious or catastrophic circumstances.

> Imagine saying this about electricity or gasoline

You can store both in dunks and batteries.

If someone invents a way to bottle spare internet, that's the next unicorn for sure :)

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The Government of India has applied unnecessary force in trying to remove dissent, prevented lawful assembly and removed the right to be able to exercise their constitutional guarantees including the right to vote (the recent election was postponed, the legislative assembly was dissolved and governer's rule has been applied).

This provision was guaranteed by the constitution and the government should have called for the people's opinion either through a vote, or through their elected representatives. Instead what we see is a shadow of facism in the country - elected representatives are jailed, curfew is imposed and the rights of the state enshrined in the constitution is removed.

What next for India - new laws to call anyone a "terrorist" without due process (happening now), presidential style election and a change to the constitution to elect our "Dear Leader" for perpetuity.

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Don't believe everything NYT writes. they have their own agenda. https://twitter.com/hussain_imtiyaz/status/11602217869500989...

These could be old videos. I always wondered why doesn't the government install a few hundred web cams across the big cities for the rest of world, including the journalists to see the reality. Why do only the journalists have to travel there and take pictures of whatever corner they want and tell whatever story they want to tell.

Definitely old videos. At least most of them. Also the account sharing the video is a high ranking police office. Not sure why an Indian police officer is a reputable source in this situation but NYT, BCC, HuffPost, AJE, BusinessInsider, etc are not.

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Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Any country that has been paying attention in recent years knows that the internet allows the opposition to organize, coordinate, and recruit effectively. The US and China deal with this by ensuring they have leverage over the platforms that people use to communicate. Other countries that do not have this leverage, have to resort to shutting down the internet in areas of unrest.

> The US and China deal with this by ensuring they have leverage over the platforms that people use to communicate.

By leverage, you mean the Prism project in USA?

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Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

What are you gonna do if the government did the same in your country? Let it be any first world country. Complain on Twitter? Oops, you can't. Take it to the streets? So?

I live in a country where I hope something like this would be illegal, so I'm not necessarily the best person to ask. I might complain when internet access is blocked for people who aren't me, though.

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> Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. To prevent what exactly? Political dissent? Why can't people in Kashmir right now talk to each other over phone? Why can't they call their loved ones outside the region? Why isn't anyone else allowed to contact them? Why are lawyers, professors and activists being jailed? Why are some people not being allowed to leave the country? Why can't Ind…

Okay, let's say they lift the ban here is how things will transpire. First, Pakistan's ISPR would start a massive disinformation campaign aided by the separatist who lost all their influence with the present government but has a great following among the Kashmiri Youth. Then there would immense violence with many dead while the "leaders" and there loved ones stay in a five-star hotel in Delhi. To prevent a loss of li…

C'mon, stop bringing Pakistan into this. India has mismanaged Kashmir so badly that the majority of the population wants to leave India -- and not to join Pakistan, mind you, but to be independent.

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Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

If you are not aware please read the following article to get a complete picture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

How about the part where in 1986 75% of preprofessional admits, government jobs, etc were going to the minority community? Isn’t that a failure of government at some level? Do you expect that to persist in a democracy or that India should defend that setup? None of this is to be construed as an attack on KPs.
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