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Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by teddyh »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #122
dewey wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see the reason for that. Usually people don't reply in bursts here like you'd expect in a chat app. If there are multiple comments by a person in a short amount it's usually because you are replying to questions or addressing points of a discussion, hindering that doesn't really seem like something that helps the discussion.

I've been in the comments sections of HN hot-topics where one person basically derails the conversation on every top-level thread with their same argument, yet it's such tempting flame-bait that nobody can resist responding every time. Sometimes you just need to contain your arguments to a single thread so others can enjoy the show. HN has a rate limit but I think it should kick in more aggressively once you're makin…

I seem to recall hitting the limit after posting something like two replies on one story and being confronted with “you’re posting too fast” when trying to post an unrelated comment on another story.

I think the limiter kicks in as soon as one of one’s comments get any downvotes at all (i.e. even when also being mostly upvoted), but I’m obviously not sure about this.

This is obviously very annoying, and I can’t see how it helps discussions.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by nichos »

wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

I always heard that telegram encryption was disabled by default. If you want security use signal, if you wants stickers and the like, use telegram.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by Aloha »

zenexer wrote: post #129
tazjin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another clear distinction: Telegram has proper native clients and an open protocol.

As someone who’s worked on Telegram clients for years, I can assure you that the protocol isn’t open. It’s quite opaque, and the FOSS thing is mostly a facade.

I mean the protocol is documented enough to create an implementation of it from scratch - that meets the metric of open.

I suspect there is enough implementation there to write a server implementation too, at least a simple one.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by mercora »

wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

i think it could be done securely by transmitting the key material via a secure channel directly from the phone to the browser or transmit messages directly encrypted with the probably ephemeral key used for this secure channel. The secure channel could actually be build upon the the QR code you would give the app on your phone. No idea what is actually done though, just saying it could or should ^^

WhatsApp would of course still serve the whole browser application and could do whatever they intend to including leaking key material back home :) Not to mention that even if you opt to trust them not to do something shady or stupid like this you still have to trust DNS, certificate authorities, BGP routing policies, browser and platform security and likely a bunch of other stuff :P

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by checktheorder »

izacus wrote: post #29
vinay427 wrote: post #19

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Signal (the messenger) and Tutanota (for emails) both have search on their mobile clients with end-to-end encryption. It's definitely feasible to implement client-side search.

Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. It's also completely unable to work on multiple devices. Not really comparable in usability.

>Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync.

Depending on one's threat model, this could be considered a feature.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by interfixus »

bigwavedave wrote: post #65
interfixus wrote: post #36

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Also, it will snark on you to all contacts whenever you move to a new device. And plead with you to let it handle your ordinary sms texting, then hold your text messages hostage, not exportable back to any other app.

Do you mean "nark"? "Snark" is when you use humor to pick at someone or something. "Narking" is being a tattle-tale.

Yes, that was a late-night typo.

Interested, although not surprised, to see my factually indisputable comment getting massively downvoted.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by interfixus »

jjeaff wrote: post #47
interfixus wrote: post #36

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Also, it will snark on you to all contacts whenever you move to a new device. And plead with you to let it handle your ordinary sms texting, then hold your text messages hostage, not exportable back to any other app.

It doesn't plead. It asks one time. At least on Android. I said no and it has never asked me again.

It asked me a number of times. And it never warned that this was a oneway process.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by OrgNet »

plibither8 wrote: post #35
jjeaff wrote: post #3

Is the HN ranking algorithm open source? I'm curious as to why a story like this makes it to the 2nd or 3rd top ranking story with only 6 points. Especially for an article about what seems to be a minor feature upgrade. Is there some context about telegram that I am missing?

Moderators will sometimes rescue a post which didn't receive a lot of upvotes and reset the submission time on the post. This is part of an experiment in giving good HN submissions multiple chances at the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380

The moderators leave a lot of notes (as comments) when they modify the flow of information, but do they in that case?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by vezycash »

nikivi wrote: post #2

Boggles my mind how WhatsApp is still a more popular messenger than Telegram by a long shot. Talk about network effects and people not doing their research. Or not caring about UX.

I've brought over at least 10 people to telegram but only one uses it regularly. The main reason is notifications don't deliver.

I'm not sure if telegram app developers suck or if IOS, Android and battery saver apps are in collusion with Whatsapp.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by forgingahead »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #93
zcid wrote: post #61

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I don't get the Russia hate. Sure they have problems as a country, but how does that affect the average user? I would think that since I don't live there I can trust Russian companies more than I can ones in the US.

Russia is much worse, trying to destabilize Western democracy. And no, it's not FUD

How about the so-called "free media" whose only mission seems to be creating anxiety and outrage for advertising revenue?
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