Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

techcrunch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 203 posts

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#61

Post by zcid »

jjeaff wrote: post #6
nikivi wrote: post #2

Boggles my mind how WhatsApp is still a more popular messenger than Telegram by a long shot. Talk about network effects and people not doing their research. Or not caring about UX.

I mean, your choice is between an app owned by Facebook or an app owned by the creators of the largest social network in Russia. I'm surprised more aren't using Signal, open source, and I believe funded by a non-profit organization. With founders that are known to care about organizational transparency and user privacy.

I don't get the Russia hate. Sure they have problems as a country, but how does that affect the average user? I would think that since I don't live there I can trust Russian companies more than I can ones in the US.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#62

Post by prophesi »

izacus wrote: post #29
vinay427 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal (the messenger) and Tutanota (for emails) both have search on their mobile clients with end-to-end encryption. It's definitely feasible to implement client-side search.

Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. It's also completely unable to work on multiple devices. Not really comparable in usability.

I don't think OP was recommending Signal / Tutanota as alternative apps to use, just showing that you can have your cake (E2E encryption) and eat it too (client-side search).

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#63

Post by eitland »

hos234 wrote: post #21
forinti wrote: post #10

I had this idea a while back. I was in a group with just too much useless conversation. So I listed a few things I would like: - customizable posting limits (per day, per week, etc); - timeouts; - time windows (no posts on Sundays, for instance);

Once upon a time that was called a chat room. You entered when you wanted to socialize and left when you were done. Which is more in tune with natural group interactions in real life. This group chat BS was cooked up more so app devs could hit engagement metrics to satisfy braindead unimaginative investors.

> This group chat BS was cooked up more so app devs could hit engagement metrics to satisfy braindead unimaginative investors.

Or alternatively so that my family could have a persistent, searchable group chat solution.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#64

Post by merlinsbrain »

tptacek wrote: post #15
SimplyUnknown wrote: post #7

I really like Telegram. Only end-to-end encryption by default and in group chats would make it perfect.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

There’s a pretty clear distinction between slack and telegram - telegram offers a secure messenger channel with private messages. Slack does not do this, and publicly does not plan on doing this.

The parent comment is requesting that an existing feature be switched on as default and not introduce a whole change in the communication layer of the app.

Unfortunately you then lose syncing across devices, so I understand where telegram wants to make less secure the default.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#65

Post by bigwavedave »

interfixus wrote: post #36
izacus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. It's also completely unable to work on multiple devices. Not really comparable in usability.

Also, it will snark on you to all contacts whenever you move to a new device. And plead with you to let it handle your ordinary sms texting, then hold your text messages hostage, not exportable back to any other app.

Do you mean "nark"? "Snark" is when you use humor to pick at someone or something. "Narking" is being a tattle-tale.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#66

Post by eitland »

kjaftaedi wrote: post #16
dewey wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to I use WhatsApp (Using Signal's encryption framework) over Telegram as I don't like to use a russian chat app that came up with their own encryption and doesn't even enable encryption by default. It's not just about UX or not doing research.

End-to-end encryption only encrypts messages in-transit. The messages are still available in plaintext at either endpoint, and to the companies if they want them. Facebook already publicly announced that they are going to use their AI to scan whatsapp messages for content violations (prior to encryption).

Dislike Facebook as much as anyone here and expect them to do anything they can come up with as long as they can get away with it but it seems this particular piece was debunked:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/08/more_on_backd...

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#67

Post by eitland »

chupa wrote: post #33
nikivi wrote: post #2

Boggles my mind how WhatsApp is still a more popular messenger than Telegram by a long shot. Talk about network effects and people not doing their research. Or not caring about UX.

I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't. Also Whatsapp UX is much simpler and I value simplicity. Telegram is starting to look like a spaceship with so many features.

> I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't.

Telegram has encrypted chats by default, just not E2E-encrypted.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

#69

Post by room505 »

What does everyone think of Microsoft Kaizala? It meets HIPPA requirements and you can backup your messages. It has a lot of group chat features. It also has a beta web chat. I've heard a lot of people in India are moving to it for personal and work chat ilo WhatsApp.
Post reply on HN