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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by mattnguyen »

codedokode wrote: post #74
tptacek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

Slack is an Electron app, taking about 400-500 Mb of memory and it won't be good no matter if it is secure or not. Also, its UI is over-complicated and looks like it was made by a programmer instead of a designer (by the way, Telegram is the opposite: it is written with Qt and has nicer UI).

If you use Telegram a lot, you should check out Telefuel.com. We're building Telefuel for power users and teams, and recently rolled out a feature to filter for unread messages. Might be useful for you!

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by hombre_fatal »

dewey wrote: post #58
floatingatoll wrote: post #55

@dang I’d enjoy seeing a trial run of this on HN for one day.

I don't really see the reason for that. Usually people don't reply in bursts here like you'd expect in a chat app. If there are multiple comments by a person in a short amount it's usually because you are replying to questions or addressing points of a discussion, hindering that doesn't really seem like something that helps the discussion.

I've been in the comments sections of HN hot-topics where one person basically derails the conversation on every top-level thread with their same argument, yet it's such tempting flame-bait that nobody can resist responding every time.

Sometimes you just need to contain your arguments to a single thread so others can enjoy the show.

HN has a rate limit but I think it should kick in more aggressively once you're making your, say, 5th post on the same submission.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by dillondoyle »

mattnguyen wrote: post #120

A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…

How can finance firms use telegram? aren't there strict compliance laws which require logging of messages - e.g. why Bloomberg chat is popular?

Or maybe that's the point... but seems short sighted

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by karlmcguire »

mattnguyen wrote: post #120

A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…

Do you have a source for their blockchain being launched EOY?

I've been following their blockchain project since the whitepaper, and they've been quietly missing their launch goals by many quarters...

I think Telegram has a unique position to combat Facebook's Libra.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by gsich »

StavrosK wrote: post #97
berns wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're using a custom ROM or rooted phone, your messages won't be protected with end-to-end encryption. https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/26000005/?category=52452...

Wait wait wait what? Does this mean they disable encryption, or just that the messages will be as "unprotected" as being affected with a key logger?

It's FUD.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by dlor »

andai wrote: post #59
scubbo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really sure what you're saying. It looks like you're humorously drawing attention to the fact that the user considers the app to be extremely good and just lacking one nice-to-have feature (encryption), whereas you believe that they have misjudged the importance of that feature and it is, in fact, essential?

Yes.

And, just to guess, he's also pointing out that security is not a feature that can be "bolted on" to a chat app later. Secure messaging is an incredible deep space, and any attempts to add security to a chat application will have far reaching implications on features and usability.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by wruza »

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask.

The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?

Or how does that work? Is my browser establishing e2e to my phone and downloading all chats? This seems unlikely. Does it synchronize the secret key? Then I see it as a security hole — I don’t want my secret chats to leak to other devices that may be not as protected as a phone.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by zenexer »

wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

> Or how does that work? Is my browser establishing e2e to my phone and downloading all chats?

More or less. It interfaces with your phone, which has a number of caveats. You can’t use the web interface without your phone.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by zenexer »

tazjin wrote: post #71
merlinsbrain wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a pretty clear distinction between slack and telegram - telegram offers a secure messenger channel with private messages. Slack does not do this, and publicly does not plan on doing this. The parent comment is requesting that an existing feature be switched on as default and not introduce a whole change in the communication layer of the app. Unfortunately you then lose syncing across devices, so I understand…

There's another clear distinction: Telegram has proper native clients and an open protocol.

As someone who’s worked on Telegram clients for years, I can assure you that the protocol isn’t open. It’s quite opaque, and the FOSS thing is mostly a facade.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by otachack »

wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

It piggybacks off your cell phone app, I believe. It basically mirrors what's on your app, and if the connection severs at all then the data is wiped from the browser. You do bring up a good point on how it can be an attack vector, though.
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