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New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
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Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Anyone "forwarding" packets from a connection to an ISP is almost certainly in breach of contract. You can buy resaleable backhaul it's just a drag and expensive. NYC mesh gets free resaleable backhaul and it's a key thing for them. > Amateur packet radio service regulations state that you may not use it for applications that are available over commercial services. point to point long distance antennas on free spec…
> NYC mesh gets free resaleable backhaul Why/how is it free? How much is it typically? Do all/most cities have "backhaul" easily available? Isn't backhaul owned by ISPs as well and basically like a fat pipe? A barrage of questions, but I'm quite interested!
> Why/how is it free? How much is it typically? Do all/most cities have "backhaul" easily available? Isn't backhaul owned by ISPs as well and basically like a fat pipe?
Sometimes but not always, the Tier 2 internet market is acutally quite competitive and usually you can get fiber from a couple of providers within 50 miles of any location in the US (5 or less if it's reasonably populated). The problem of course is to be an ISP you have to deliver the traffic that last few miles.
This whole thing is further obfuscated by the fact that the entire infrastructure market is very human powered. Few providers provide public maps and in order to find these fiber connections you literally have to know the right people. The internet has automated everything but those people building and maintaining the backbone still need sales calls to tell you where they can connect and a bribe before you get a good price.
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#203Shameless plug: My company Althea ( https://althea.net ) is making router firmware that makes it easy to people to set up incentivized mesh networks in their communities. It allows routers to pay each other for bandwidth which means that everyone hosting a node earns money for the packets they forward. We have 2 networks live, one in rural Oregon and one in Medellin, Colombia. Also, 4 more networks people are current…
Isn't there a liability issue here? If I join the network and someone were to use my node in the transmission of something like child porn, how are you so sure I wouldn't be pinched for it?
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is quite shameless, here is an awesome volunteer run basic service project, and this is a Blockchain rent-seeking VC startup. You're implying that there is something shameful with providing a market for connectivity which allows for people who can't afford to work for free to participate. What is shameful about this?
Taking attention from a free community project to market your for profit company certainly isn't a purely altruistic thing to do.
theres still a monthly fee for free. weird right.
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#205Shameless plug: My company Althea ( https://althea.net ) is making router firmware that makes it easy to people to set up incentivized mesh networks in their communities. It allows routers to pay each other for bandwidth which means that everyone hosting a node earns money for the packets they forward. We have 2 networks live, one in rural Oregon and one in Medellin, Colombia. Also, 4 more networks people are current…
Great post by NYC Mesh on why companies like Althea are a total scams or run by morons (probably both) --> https://www.nycmesh.net/blog/meshcoin
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#206Shameless plug: My company Althea ( https://althea.net ) is making router firmware that makes it easy to people to set up incentivized mesh networks in their communities. It allows routers to pay each other for bandwidth which means that everyone hosting a node earns money for the packets they forward. We have 2 networks live, one in rural Oregon and one in Medellin, Colombia. Also, 4 more networks people are current…
It is quite shameless, here is an awesome volunteer run basic service project, and this is a Blockchain rent-seeking VC startup. Ironically I went back to the 2015 thread and found much the same "shameless plug", minus the Blockchain.
Shameless and full of snake oil this time lol
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is quite shameless, here is an awesome volunteer run basic service project, and this is a Blockchain rent-seeking VC startup. You're implying that there is something shameful with providing a market for connectivity which allows for people who can't afford to work for free to participate. What is shameful about this?
Taking attention from a free community project to market your for profit company certainly isn't a purely altruistic thing to do.
Taking attention? I have enough attention for both. Who cares if it isn't altruistic? 99.9% of human interaction isn't, and most of it is positive.
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#208Shameless plug: My company Althea ( https://althea.net ) is making router firmware that makes it easy to people to set up incentivized mesh networks in their communities. It allows routers to pay each other for bandwidth which means that everyone hosting a node earns money for the packets they forward. We have 2 networks live, one in rural Oregon and one in Medellin, Colombia. Also, 4 more networks people are current…
It is quite shameless, here is an awesome volunteer run basic service project, and this is a Blockchain rent-seeking VC startup. Ironically I went back to the 2015 thread and found much the same "shameless plug", minus the Blockchain.
"The 100k investment they took on is peak rent-seeking," said the commenter on news.ycombinator.com
Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#209Re: New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been reading https://althea.net/how-it-works and I don't quite understand one aspect: The article says there's a "backhaul" that connects the althea network to the internet. I understand this means the community will then need just one subscription to the internet, as opposed to n, so it's cheaper. But doesn't this mean that every user in the network will experience vastly slower connection than if they had thei…
It's a commercial subscription. The fact is, any residential ISP is selling the same connection to the internet to 20-100 subscribers. This is known as the oversale ratio. Since nobody is using the whole connection continuously, people experience the advertised speeds most of the time. The backhaul connections that ISPs resell (and that are sold into Althea networks) are usually around 10x the price of a residential…
To be fair, reading your comment again, it doesn't make sense to me why the reselling price to Althea network is 10x the normal price.
I don't quite see why ISP's would treat a commerical subscription to an Althea network differently than a residential network.
Sure, if an ISP knows that the Althean network is trying to optimally squeeze the most out of the backhaul, then it makes sense to increase the price. But in that case, surely an Althea network would never "reveal" itself?