New York City Neighbors Build Cheaper Way to Connect to Web

Post by thwythwy » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

psim1 wrote: post #18

thwythwy wrote: post #15

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Comcast & AT&T cast SF's into oblivion: https://www.fastcompany.com/90319916/the-anti-competitive-fo...

If I understand it correctly, the two ways that incumbents are able to kill these efforts are through lower costs and through infrastructure restrictions. Emitting radio waves is both cheaper and lower-infrastructure than laying fiber. The question in my mind is whether the quality holds up.

Post by _-david-_ » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:19 PM UTC

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musicale wrote: post #83

This is interesting - it says that they are connected to an internet exchange point (IXP), which means presumably they are their own AS and don't pay for peering. It makes them basically a peer of Verizon, etc.. It's a bit of a reminder of what the internet actually is - a bunch of networks connected together. If you make your own network, negotiate or purchase a piece of the IPv6 address space, and convince someone…

IX costs vary by region but in NYC you can expect around $700/m for a 10g port as a startup. Transit costs over an IX port are much higher than crossconnecting directly to a provider, but IX ports are convenient and save a lot of bandwidth cost if you’re good at building relationships. The network engineering world is very different from software. Relationships are everything and the pricing very opaque. Often pricin…

Post by robocat » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:24 PM UTC

cr0sh wrote: post #47

elektor wrote: post #41

There's a map of community-owned networks, more than 750 communities across the United States have embraced operating their own broadband network Map here: https://muninetworks.org/communitymap

It really bothers me to see nothing going on in the Phoenix, Arizona region, where I live. I'm planning on getting my Technicians HAM license sometime soon (I took one of the online practice tests "blind" and scored an 80 - so with some study it shouldn't be a problem). Maybe after that if I can find some like-minded people nearby...

Post by L_Rahman » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:29 PM UTC

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CodexArcanum wrote: post #8

I've been very intrigued by their efforts for some time now. Last time I read about NYC Mesh, it sent me down a rabbit hole of research into mesh networks and what it takes to found an ISP. I'd love to replicate their efforts in NOLA, but the legal and technical hurdles are tricky! When I had looked into it, these resources had been helpful for research: Wireless Networking in the Developing world -- http://wndw.net/…

Hey there codexarcanum, My partner and I are NOLA based programmers / lawyers who have been researching this matter for a few years. We own the domain nolamesh.net and would love to work with you to navigate the political / legal / business issues to deploy a similar network in the New Orleans metro area. Please reach out to us at nolalawcorp@gmail.com and let's set up a meeting.

Post by dmix » Tue, Aug 06, 2019, 10:48 PM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #96

chadwittman wrote: post #87

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Love the project! Why does my intuition suggest big ISPs are going to try to regulate this out of existence in the US. It's depressing.

It's already illegal twice over. Anyone "forwarding" packets from a connection to an ISP is almost certainly in breach of contract. Amateur packet radio service regulations state that you may not use it for applications that are available over commercial services.