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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Chazprime »

irrational wrote: post #468
ddebernardy wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I'm in agreement with Popper's view that societies should tolerate everything except intolerance. It draws a fine line between what's acceptable speech and what is not. And going by it, things like 8chan should get shut down. The line of thought you put forward, by contrast, rubs me in a very wrong way. It was used to justify, depending on the period and country, not allowing people to vote on the basis th…

>Popper's tolerance criteria, by contrast, seems clearcut What is that criteria? Because I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant. Would you agree that saying that a baker in Colorado must make a cake for a gay wedding is intolerant of the baker's belief? Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

It doesn't matter.

Religious freedom doesn't come before the civil rights of gay people. Gay marriage is the law of the land in the US; if your business can't service the needs of its citizens because of your religious beliefs, perhaps you shouldn't be in a position to be serving the public. It's really that simple.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Lt_Riza_Hawkeye »

>Internet hate forum

If 8chan is an internet hate forum, so is reddit. Yes, 8chan has little to no moderation. People go on 8chan and talk about whatever, the fact that there is hate speech somewhere in there, and it is allowed to stay there, doesn't mean the entire site is dedicated to hate speech. We don't say "Internet Cat Photo Forum" about reddit just because /r/aww exists.

There will always be places "providing providing a safe space for anonymized, like-minded individuals to congregate, espouse their basest thoughts and feelings." This is firmly a good thing. You can always hang out somewhere else if you don't prefer it. 8chan going down means nothing in the long run. One goes down another survives.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by bumby »

Chazprime wrote: post #841
irrational wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Popper's tolerance criteria, by contrast, seems clearcut What is that criteria? Because I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant. Would you agree that saying that a baker in Colorado must make a cake for a gay wedding is intolerant of the baker's belief? Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant. It doesn't matter. Religious freedom doesn't come before the civil rights of gay people. Gay marriage is the law of the land in the US; if your business can't service the needs of its citizens because of your religious beliefs, perhaps you shouldn't be in a position to be serving the public. It's really that simple.

> Religious freedom doesn't come before...

It's literally the first right in the Bill of Rights. I'm not saying anything about gay rights, just that freedom of expression lays the foundation for all other rights

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by njharman »

1st amendment issue. As in persons, including those that own companies have the right to associate or not associate(1) with whomever they choose. As upheld in USA with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama

1) The "not associate" is not clearly as protected and is frequently abridged to protect "protected classes" eg housing, employment, ADA laws. I doubt any US court will uphold "bigot" as a protected class.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by jachee »

moab wrote: post #393
DonHopkins wrote: post #261

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I've lost good friends to 4chan/8chan. They were obsessed. At first it was cat pictures and memes, but it went way downhill from there. I've watched those sites cause the transition from normal, interesting, reasonable, open minded, intelligent, happy human beings, to horrible inexcusable pieces of shit who I never want to have anything to do with ever again. It's not just that they inspire a few shooters and mass mu…

I would not lump 4chan into this discussion. I'll concede that some boards on the site are more polemical than others and promote alt-right ideologies without a doubt, but there are many other interesting boards and people on 4chan that are not captured by the broad strokes you're outlining. I know people that browse /fit/, /lit/, /mu/ and /out/ just to name some boards that are perfectly reasonable individuals that…

Can we please stop using the "alt-right" euphemism for racist, backwards, literal Nazis?

Edit: seems we have some Nazi-sympathizer downvoters on HN.

Go figure.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by doubleunplussed »

throwanem wrote: post #267
ergocoder wrote: post #198

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Not a speech absolutist. I believe certain kind of speeches should be banned. What irked me is that CloudFlare was the one who makes the decision to do censorship. It's not really a due process. No one argue for the defendant's side. It would seem better coming from US court through a due process or something like two lawyers arguing for both sides and etc. I dislike the rationale of "CloudFlare is a private company.…

Your argument here is that something which does not legally constitute censorship would be better replaced by something which does.

The US constitution does not have a monopoly on the definition of "censorship". Just because government censorship is the only kind it talks about doesn't mean the word doesn't extend to censorship imposed by other entities.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by ajxs »

onion2k wrote: post #678
tomohawk wrote: post #597

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8chan being shut down because their server supplied stopped doing business with them isn't an issue of free speech. You're really arguing that the 1st amendment means businesses can't refuse a customer, and that's just silly.

Do you think there are any parallels between the bakers who wouldn't make a wedding cake for a gay customer and the company who won't host 8Chan?

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by zaroth »

Chazprime wrote: post #841
irrational wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Popper's tolerance criteria, by contrast, seems clearcut What is that criteria? Because I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant. Would you agree that saying that a baker in Colorado must make a cake for a gay wedding is intolerant of the baker's belief? Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant. It doesn't matter. Religious freedom doesn't come before the civil rights of gay people. Gay marriage is the law of the land in the US; if your business can't service the needs of its citizens because of your religious beliefs, perhaps you shouldn't be in a position to be serving the public. It's really that simple.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you, but the other response lays out why that is so.

Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by [deleted] »

Zigurd wrote: post #608
irrational wrote: post #468

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>Popper's tolerance criteria, by contrast, seems clearcut What is that criteria? Because I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant. Would you agree that saying that a baker in Colorado must make a cake for a gay wedding is intolerant of the baker's belief? Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

That's not a particularly good example. When you enter into commerce you step out of the personal space freedom of thought. And you do so in ways that may seem arbitrary. That arbitrariness is accepted as the price of entry. At least by most people with realistic expectations.

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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by Bendingo »

ajross wrote: post #499
irrational wrote: post #468

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>Popper's tolerance criteria, by contrast, seems clearcut What is that criteria? Because I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant. Would you agree that saying that a baker in Colorado must make a cake for a gay wedding is intolerant of the baker's belief? Because I'm certain a sizeable proportion of the US population would agree that it is intolerant.

> I can easily see people disagreeing on what is and is not intolerant Not in the subject at hand. I think pretty much everyone reasonable agrees that "kill the {jews,muslims,hispanics}" (once more, folks, this was the THIRD ethnic massacre advertised on 8chan!) is intolerant, no? Can't we start there?

> everyone reasonable agrees that "kill the {jews,muslims,hispanics}" is intolerant, no?

Does "everyone reasonable" also agree that "kill the {nazis,racists,transphobes}" is intolerant?

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