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Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

> 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe

I wouldn't say this to anyone who was previously addicted to cigarettes and switched to vaping as a safer alternative.

I would, however, say (a nicer version of) it to any non-smoker who wants to try vaping. And, I would push back against anyone who vapes and thinks it's safe, lest they create more people in the aforementioned category.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by kolinko »

mkl wrote: post #55
systematical wrote: post #50

Is their research on people who have ONLY vaped? Most people who vape are former/current smokers. For me, I vape when not drinking and smoke cigarettes when drinking. This means I smoke about 2-3 packs a month, the rest is vape. It's harm reduction for me and allows me to still perform at a reasonable cardio level in beer leagues. Now my evidence is shotty, but my lungs "feel" better and I have a noticeable improveme…

This reasoning seems pretty strange to me. Why not quit entirely?

There are often quite a few psychiatric issues that nicotine helps out with. Also, probably a good chunk o population has issues that are just slightly below threshold of what is considered a condition, but niccotine helps them out a lot.

As an ADHD-diagnosed person, to function properly I need some sort of a stimulant. It's really "choose your adventure" kind of a situation - I need either sugar, ritalin or nicotine, and the less I take of one the more I need of another to function properly.

Keep that in mind when you see someone smoking - unless you're 100% sure that they are neurotypical, you don't know if it's addiction or self-medication.

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Post by robocat »

Retric wrote: post #65
robocat wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Occupational hazards (chronic exposure) might be expected to show something if it had serious long term effects. > However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects Long term effects often have early outliers (the tail of the graph leading up to a long term problem) - we would likely be seeing something measurable already i…

Vaping represents a significant increase in nicotine use for young people. If it was limited to 40+ year old lifetime smokers, then that would be different.

So what? Do we stop "young" people from eating junk food or being targeted by advertising? The risks of vaping are strongly indicated to be far less than many other recreational activities young people do (drinking and taking random drugs being one obvious thing I see in my community, that seems to still be on the increase).

And if there are extra vapers, but fewer smokers, then it seems probable everyone is way better off. Weigh a small unknown risk against a large known risk.

Out of interest: do vapers show the same physical signs of damage as smokers?

Someone who smokes significantly for say two years has clearly visible changes to their skin, and often obvious indicators of unhealthy lungs: strong indicators of long term damage effects. I don't know well enough any people that have only ever vaped for me to have a inkling about the visible side-effects of vaping (to use as a proxy for making a guess at long term damage compared to smoking).

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Post by ficklepickle »

whenchamenia wrote: post #66
buttcoinslol wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, residual solvents are possible with the THC extraction process. I prefer to use THC concentrates extracted with CO2 to avoid inhaling residual solvents.

Co2 iirc is a physical extraction, like bubble hash, while this is concerning solvent hash, a different product. The correct way to extract solvents is under vacuum.

Supercritical CO2 is a (very non-polar) solvent. I can't imagine what would make that a physical or mechanical extraction.

Good CO2 extraction uses two passes at different pressures. One to extract the terpenes and one for the cannibinoids.

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Post by liability »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Here is my obnoxiously unsolicited opinion: I vape copious amounts of cannabis and recently have been noticing trouble with my lungs filling with phlem... guess it's time for me to slow down.

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Post by rzzzt »

kingkawn wrote: post #33
exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Or you take the metaposition and the next person lists (4) categories of comments

Metasmugness is the best position one could take in any topic. Rising above the ones who rise above others, holier-than-holier-than-thou, etc.

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Post by sjaknanxnnx »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #45
tjr225 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know they're paid by the companies? I've made a comment similar to that before and I stand by it. Wish I would've known I could get paid to post it!

For each specific post you can't tell.

I have some friends who have said it to me in person too. I wonder which of them are the shills?

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Post by mattmanser »

Quanttek wrote: post #16
hprotagonist wrote: post #7

Note that the black vape on the right in the photo is very much unlike the other two. It’s a dry herb cannabis vaporizer —- oddly, one of the very few that’s a certified medical device. (it’s a storz and bickel crafty) There’s a vast difference between concentrate/ejuice/distillate vapes and something like a crafty. It would be nice if the two categories of vapes could be separated more cleanly when discussing health…

Agreed but I wouldn't try to infer from a stock photo to the substance of the story. The vast majority of vapes used, especially those by young adults and teens, are not black vapes.

It clearly says in the story they had all vaped 'THC', AKA a catch all term these days for dodgy shit.

More than likely, given how this hasn't happened in the rest of the WORLD, they vaped something extremely dodgy that they knew was dodgy.

if you need me to spell this out for you, this has NOTHING to do with vaping and everything to do with dodgy drug dealers.

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Post by scruple »

buttcoinslol wrote: post #2

They likely got a bad batch of THC cartridges, there's a ton of black market ones going around all over, with who knows what in them. Millions of people use nicotine vaporizers daily with no ill effects.

There's an Instagram user who independently tests, meaning he pays to have an independent lab test the samples, (THC) carts for pesticides and solvents and posts the results for all to see. He's a hero, as far as I'm concerned.

There's so much shit in these cartridges. They are concentrated, so pesticides used during growth can also be concentrated in the cartridges.

It's completely absurd to me that this stuff isn't more regulated.

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Post by Retric »

robocat wrote: post #73
Retric wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaping represents a significant increase in nicotine use for young people. If it was limited to 40+ year old lifetime smokers, then that would be different.

So what? Do we stop "young" people from eating junk food or being targeted by advertising? The risks of vaping are strongly indicated to be far less than many other recreational activities young people do (drinking and taking random drugs being one obvious thing I see in my community, that seems to still be on the increase). And if there are extra vapers, but fewer smokers, then it seems probable everyone is way bett…

> extra vapers, but fewer smokers

That does not seem to follow. Based on existing trends you just get extra vapers without fewer young people smoking.

In terms of health issues for young teenagers vaping is fairly high on the list largely due to simple numbers. If we need to have young teens taking nicotine, why not the patch or gum which seem to be safer.

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