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Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by _8j50 »

noja wrote: post #25
_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

What do the ingredients on your packet say?

Vegetable glycerin,propylene glycol,flavors,nicotine. There is also a "state of california" warning about possible exposure to formaldehyde.

Can't they test this on rats and monkeys easily to see if there is an obvious side effect? Or maybe they have and the results are inconclusive?

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by mirekrusin »

_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

It’s not water vapour, it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol plus flavourings. Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by kingkawn »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Or you take the metaposition and the next person lists (4) categories of comments

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by [deleted] »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by jimhefferon »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

You are missing what I at least strongly suspect is a significant number of posts: (4) people paid by the companies to say positive things, like "I was only able to quit smoking because of this product."

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by tjr225 »

jimhefferon wrote: post #35
exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

You are missing what I at least strongly suspect is a significant number of posts: (4) people paid by the companies to say positive things, like "I was only able to quit smoking because of this product."

How do you know they're paid by the companies?

I've made a comment similar to that before and I stand by it. Wish I would've known I could get paid to post it!

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by jdietrich »

mirekrusin wrote: post #32
_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

It’s not water vapour, it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol plus flavourings. Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.

>it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol

Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd...

>Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.

All reputable manufacturers removed diacetyl from their products years ago, as soon as the risk came to the attention of the industry. Popcorn lung is extremely rare, with only one known case involving non-occupational exposure.

http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/diacetyl/

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by sterlind »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #26
SynthCann wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting to see JWH discussed on HN. This stuff was BIGGG about a decade ago, and then I stopped hearing about it. It's crazy to see they are still playing the game of cat and mouse with these analogues, and even getting them into the black market carts. I have medical so thankfully I don't need to mess with the black market at this point. I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids.

> I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids. Any specific reasons to say this? Medical knowledge, personal experience or other? I did have one experience with a synthetic cannabinoid and it was very bad indeed, took me days to recover. FYI. I'd not rule out trying it again but with great care. Though now it's illegal in the UK, so prob won't happen.

I remember there being a number of deaths from some cannabinoids, but after doing some research I can't confirm. This is what I found:

AMB-FUBINACA caused a "zombie outbreak" which sent 33 people to the hospital in Brooklyn: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/zombielike-state...

Anecdotally, AM-2201 seems to cause enlarged liver and other health problems with long-term use: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=95702

I remember CP-55,940 and WIN-55,212 having serious side effects but I couldn't find information..

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by SargeZT »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #26
SynthCann wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting to see JWH discussed on HN. This stuff was BIGGG about a decade ago, and then I stopped hearing about it. It's crazy to see they are still playing the game of cat and mouse with these analogues, and even getting them into the black market carts. I have medical so thankfully I don't need to mess with the black market at this point. I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids.

> I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids. Any specific reasons to say this? Medical knowledge, personal experience or other? I did have one experience with a synthetic cannabinoid and it was very bad indeed, took me days to recover. FYI. I'd not rule out trying it again but with great care. Though now it's illegal in the UK, so prob won't happen.

Many of them are full agonists on the cannabanoid receptors, which leads to GABA levels that are dangerously low when the receptors are saturated. THC proper lowers GABA somewhat, but not nearly as much.

They've lead to seizures and have been linked to at least a few deaths.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by colechristensen »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Think link is about 11 cases identified (and a cluster of 8, whatever they mean by that).

That would not point to "vaping" being specifically dangerous, but a specific dangerous product batch either vaporizer or fluid causing lung disease. It wouldn't be surprising given the loosely/unregulated status of many of these things and the ease of importing supplies from questionable origins.

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