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Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by buttcoinslol »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #13
buttcoinslol wrote: post #2

They likely got a bad batch of THC cartridges, there's a ton of black market ones going around all over, with who knows what in them. Millions of people use nicotine vaporizers daily with no ill effects.

A recent study here in Europe as found that some low-quality CBD e-liquids contain traces of solvent (used to extract said CBD) that are above safety level and may trigger adverse reaction in vapers. I assume THC e-liquid goes through the same sort of process and may have the same issue.

Yes, residual solvents are possible with the THC extraction process. I prefer to use THC concentrates extracted with CO2 to avoid inhaling residual solvents.

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Post by wpietri »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

I agree on the smug dick part, but is 3 really trivializing addiction? Or is it perhaps a useful counter to the egregious motivated reasoning that goes along with addiction?

I certainly think we should be sympathetic with addicts and help them where we can. But I don't think that requires accepting the obvious bullshit that addicts come up with in justifying their behavior. And it's not like vaping is the only way to kick a nicotine habit.

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Post by personjerry »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

I think in (3) you should separate the smoker -> vapers versus the non smoker -> vapers. I've seen a lot of the latter amongst younger people, which really sucks IMO.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by _8j50 »

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine.

I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

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Post by noja »

_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

What do the ingredients on your packet say?

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by tempguy9999 »

SynthCann wrote: post #9
buttcoinslol wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, from own experiences, the cheap carts [dank/mario cart] which are black market only labels use thc analogues while the ones that make it here that are sold in dispensaries are generally legit [rove/tko] From what I've read about opiate analogues, whatever thc analogues they're using ~15 years after the Huffman paper are far removed from their original state. I can also confirm there is a tremendous demand for th…

Very interesting to see JWH discussed on HN. This stuff was BIGGG about a decade ago, and then I stopped hearing about it. It's crazy to see they are still playing the game of cat and mouse with these analogues, and even getting them into the black market carts. I have medical so thankfully I don't need to mess with the black market at this point. I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids.

> I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids.

Any specific reasons to say this? Medical knowledge, personal experience or other?

I did have one experience with a synthetic cannabinoid and it was very bad indeed, took me days to recover. FYI. I'd not rule out trying it again but with great care. Though now it's illegal in the UK, so prob won't happen.

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Post by ves »

_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

a while back there was a scare that some vapes had lots of tiny metal particles in their vapor, which would be really really bad for you. Dunno what the resolution to that was, but it’s probably worth following up on.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by WalterSear »

buttcoinslol wrote: post #5
leggomylibro wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, a local cluster of ~8-20 cases and the patients say they were using 'THC' cartridges in a state where it's illegal? People were putting synthetic cannabinoids in e-juice over a decade ago, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't still a market for it. I'd also be surprised if the actual chemicals being used haven't evolved to keep up with regulations - at this point they'd probably be dozens of analogues away from…

Yes, from own experiences, the cheap carts [dank/mario cart] which are black market only labels use thc analogues while the ones that make it here that are sold in dispensaries are generally legit [rove/tko] From what I've read about opiate analogues, whatever thc analogues they're using ~15 years after the Huffman paper are far removed from their original state. I can also confirm there is a tremendous demand for th…

Not analogs. The analogs can kill you via overdose. That's not happening here.

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Post by WalterSear »

SynthCann wrote: post #9
buttcoinslol wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, from own experiences, the cheap carts [dank/mario cart] which are black market only labels use thc analogues while the ones that make it here that are sold in dispensaries are generally legit [rove/tko] From what I've read about opiate analogues, whatever thc analogues they're using ~15 years after the Huffman paper are far removed from their original state. I can also confirm there is a tremendous demand for th…

Very interesting to see JWH discussed on HN. This stuff was BIGGG about a decade ago, and then I stopped hearing about it. It's crazy to see they are still playing the game of cat and mouse with these analogues, and even getting them into the black market carts. I have medical so thankfully I don't need to mess with the black market at this point. I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids.

They aren't. Parent is misinformed.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by buttcoinslol »

noja wrote: post #25
_8j50 wrote: post #24

So, I am just trying to understand how it's worse than caffeine. I vape but I simply don't get how bad it is compared to the normal smog and other impure air we breathe. Nicotine aside,what makes vaping risky? Like are there specific chemical substances? When i starter it I assumed it was nictone,water vapor and flavorings which have no known side effects on the lung.

What do the ingredients on your packet say?

Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Natural and Artificial Flavorings, Nicotine
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