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Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by perlpimp »

Retric wrote: post #42
jdietrich wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd... >Some flavourings can be seriously bad, l…

Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Many things are harmful, but not obvious at low doses. People used to use lead as a sweetener. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate The current consensus is that vaping is harmful. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-... However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects to be obvious.

"E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde" - just like alcohol and hangover, this is metabolite of alcohol. 20% of becomes acetaldehyde. for some reason I don't get hangover from vaping, though I did have pretty horrible feeling smoking. Probably worse than occasional hangover.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by kd5bjo »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

As it turns out, “irrationally defensive” is the overwhelmingly dominant response in humans faced with analyzing their own behavior in any situation.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Jarwain »

WalterSear wrote: post #28
buttcoinslol wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, from own experiences, the cheap carts [dank/mario cart] which are black market only labels use thc analogues while the ones that make it here that are sold in dispensaries are generally legit [rove/tko] From what I've read about opiate analogues, whatever thc analogues they're using ~15 years after the Huffman paper are far removed from their original state. I can also confirm there is a tremendous demand for th…

Not analogs. The analogs can kill you via overdose. That's not happening here.

I'd imagine that would depend on the analogue

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by perlpimp »

systematical wrote: post #50

Is their research on people who have ONLY vaped? Most people who vape are former/current smokers. For me, I vape when not drinking and smoke cigarettes when drinking. This means I smoke about 2-3 packs a month, the rest is vape. It's harm reduction for me and allows me to still perform at a reasonable cardio level in beer leagues. Now my evidence is shotty, but my lungs "feel" better and I have a noticeable improveme…

I've quit smoking and drinking, work out 5 times a week and run once or twice a day. Vape has allowed me to loose 12kg and quit drinking and smoking. If you're gonna say that it might just irritate my lungs a little more than walking about the street at the o'smog hour on hottest summer day then be it.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by mkl »

systematical wrote: post #50

Is their research on people who have ONLY vaped? Most people who vape are former/current smokers. For me, I vape when not drinking and smoke cigarettes when drinking. This means I smoke about 2-3 packs a month, the rest is vape. It's harm reduction for me and allows me to still perform at a reasonable cardio level in beer leagues. Now my evidence is shotty, but my lungs "feel" better and I have a noticeable improveme…

This reasoning seems pretty strange to me. Why not quit entirely?

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Post by jchw »

exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Out of curiosity, where do you sit? I think I am mostly 3.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by function_seven »

mkl wrote: post #55
systematical wrote: post #50

Is their research on people who have ONLY vaped? Most people who vape are former/current smokers. For me, I vape when not drinking and smoke cigarettes when drinking. This means I smoke about 2-3 packs a month, the rest is vape. It's harm reduction for me and allows me to still perform at a reasonable cardio level in beer leagues. Now my evidence is shotty, but my lungs "feel" better and I have a noticeable improveme…

This reasoning seems pretty strange to me. Why not quit entirely?

Because it's really difficult to do so. That might not be a valid "why" in some people's eyes, but it's the reason smokers switch to vaping. They've tried to quit entirely, and have failed to do so many times.

Then this new nicotine delivery method comes along, smokers try it, and find it an acceptable substitute.

The "they" above is me. I switched a couple years ago and have had nothing but improvement in my health. My stamina is better, my chronic cough went away, and I don't hear that faint whistle when I breath in.

I'm sure if and when I give up nicotine completely, I'll feel better still. But right now I'm taking this partial win.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by cluster-of-8 »

colechristensen wrote: post #40
exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Think link is about 11 cases identified (and a cluster of 8, whatever they mean by that). That would not point to "vaping" being specifically dangerous, but a specific dangerous product batch either vaporizer or fluid causing lung disease. It wouldn't be surprising given the loosely/unregulated status of many of these things and the ease of importing supplies from questionable origins.

Not to be confused with a computing cluster, this is a reference to analytical methods.

In medicine and medical jargon, the verb “to cluster” and noun “cluster” have a specialized definition. It’s a loaded term, intended to signal that observations of coincidental medical conditions found close together and at around the same time are presumed to be strongly related in an as yet unknown way.

It’s usually stated in a public health context, when an alert or warning is announced.

Example: A sudden spike in food poisoning at restaurants is noticed by way of shared reporting between hospitals. If there are 10,000 incidents within 48 hours in the entire state of Texas, statistical “clustering” helps shake out the unrelated noise of the usual incidental food poisoning, to locate the unexpected events according to shared qualities. Same restaurant chain, correlated ingredients across chains (all lettuce), associated factories or farms, suppliers, freight shipping company, style of prep work, common equipment (all had same blender or mixer brand), and so on.

It’s a way of problem solving during fluid events as they unfold, in an attempt to get out in front of a problem, as it happens.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by WalterSear »

Jarwain wrote: post #53
WalterSear wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not analogs. The analogs can kill you via overdose. That's not happening here.

I'd imagine that would depend on the analogue

There aren't any that mimic cannabis closely enough to have it's self-limiting affinity for endocannabinoid synapses.
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