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Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by jdc »

WalterSear wrote: post #28
buttcoinslol wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, from own experiences, the cheap carts [dank/mario cart] which are black market only labels use thc analogues while the ones that make it here that are sold in dispensaries are generally legit [rove/tko] From what I've read about opiate analogues, whatever thc analogues they're using ~15 years after the Huffman paper are far removed from their original state. I can also confirm there is a tremendous demand for th…

Not analogs. The analogs can kill you via overdose. That's not happening here.

Not disputing, but do you have a source handy?

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Retric »

jdietrich wrote: post #37
mirekrusin wrote: post #32

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It’s not water vapour, it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol plus flavourings. Some flavourings can be seriously bad, look up popcorn lungs.

>it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd... >Some flavourings can be seriously bad, l…

Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years.

Many things are harmful, but not obvious at low doses. People used to use lead as a sweetener. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate

The current consensus is that vaping is harmful. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-...

However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects to be obvious.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by robocat »

buttcoinslol wrote: post #21
Hasknewbie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A recent study here in Europe as found that some low-quality CBD e-liquids contain traces of solvent (used to extract said CBD) that are above safety level and may trigger adverse reaction in vapers. I assume THC e-liquid goes through the same sort of process and may have the same issue.

Yes, residual solvents are possible with the THC extraction process. I prefer to use THC concentrates extracted with CO2 to avoid inhaling residual solvents.

Can you tell only CO2 was used?

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by tempguy9999 »

sterlind wrote: post #38
tempguy9999 wrote: post #26

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> I would _highly_ advise against using any synthetic cannabinoids. Any specific reasons to say this? Medical knowledge, personal experience or other? I did have one experience with a synthetic cannabinoid and it was very bad indeed, took me days to recover. FYI. I'd not rule out trying it again but with great care. Though now it's illegal in the UK, so prob won't happen.

I remember there being a number of deaths from some cannabinoids, but after doing some research I can't confirm. This is what I found: AMB-FUBINACA caused a "zombie outbreak" which sent 33 people to the hospital in Brooklyn: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/zombielike-state... Anecdotally, AM-2201 seems to cause enlarged liver and other health problems with long-term use: https://www.erowid.org/experiences…

Comprehensive answer. I particularly appreciate you made it clear what you couldn't verify, or what was anecdotal. I wish I could upvote it twice for that alone.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

tjr225 wrote: post #36
jimhefferon wrote: post #35

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You are missing what I at least strongly suspect is a significant number of posts: (4) people paid by the companies to say positive things, like "I was only able to quit smoking because of this product."

How do you know they're paid by the companies? I've made a comment similar to that before and I stand by it. Wish I would've known I could get paid to post it!

For each specific post you can't tell.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

colechristensen wrote: post #40
exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

Think link is about 11 cases identified (and a cluster of 8, whatever they mean by that). That would not point to "vaping" being specifically dangerous, but a specific dangerous product batch either vaporizer or fluid causing lung disease. It wouldn't be surprising given the loosely/unregulated status of many of these things and the ease of importing supplies from questionable origins.

Some of the liquids causing this particular “pandemic” were obtained on the black market and included THC... May not even really be a case of something slipping by the professional sales of eliquids.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

adtac wrote: post #20
exogeny wrote: post #15

I sort of hate these articles, because the comments always boil down to three main categories: 1. I vape and this hasn’t happened to me, therefore I’m an expert on public health policy 2. I vape and because it’s better than cigarettes, it’s safe on those terms alone 3. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe You’re either irrationally defensive (1, 2) because you feel att…

>What the hell is wrong with you idiots, safer than cigarettes is not the same as safe I don't see anything wrong with the second part of that statement. Of course, the first part comes across as being an pretentious twat, but it's important to remind people who actually believe vapes are perfectly safe and can do no harm.

Mitigating risk is what it is all about. Methadone is less risky than Heroin, which is why you can get a prescription for the one at a drug treatment facility but not the other.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by Scoundreller »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #17
tapland wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love it if you had a link to that study. A relative of mine is on the lookout for CBD oils and I said I'd help find what there is.

I don't have a direct link to the study, but this is from the BBC ( https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48950483 ): "The researchers also found the presence in seven products of the solvent dichloromethane, which can cause wheezing and shortness of breath, at levels above food safety limits."

Are food safety limits the appropriate limit for something that will be largely exhaled?

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by robocat »

Retric wrote: post #42
jdietrich wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it’s vegetable glycerin and/or propylene glycol Both of which have a long record of safety as an inhaled vapor. They're the standard ingredients in theatrical fog machines, so have been investigated in detail by occupational health and safety agencies; the worst identified risks are minor respiratory irritation. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1990-0355-2449.pd... >Some flavourings can be seriously bad, l…

Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years. Many things are harmful, but not obvious at low doses. People used to use lead as a sweetener. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate The current consensus is that vaping is harmful. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/impact-of-e-... However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects to be obvious.

> Theatrical fog machines are not assumed to be safe daily for 50+ years.

Occupational hazards (chronic exposure) might be expected to show something if it had serious long term effects.

> However, it’s not really been around long enough for long term effects

Long term effects often have early outliers (the tail of the graph leading up to a long term problem) - we would likely be seeing something measurable already if there were a very serious problem.

And for many users, it's a very good bet that vaping is safer than long term smoking.

Re: Wisconsin Officials Urge People to Stop Vaping After Sudden Rise in Lung Disease

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Post by systematical »

Is their research on people who have ONLY vaped? Most people who vape are former/current smokers. For me, I vape when not drinking and smoke cigarettes when drinking. This means I smoke about 2-3 packs a month, the rest is vape.

It's harm reduction for me and allows me to still perform at a reasonable cardio level in beer leagues. Now my evidence is shotty, but my lungs "feel" better and I have a noticeable improvement in cardio when I haven't touch a cigarette in a few days and have just been vaping. My ability to stay on the ice (I play hockey) is noticeably better. I don't start getting really tired until the third period, whereas with cigarettes I am dead by the second period.

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