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Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by SomeOldThrow »

rayiner wrote: post #22
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

> With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer? I have no idea where this argument comes from. Was 4G useless because carriers stuck with the same data caps we had from the 3G era? Today, the average U.S. smartphone subscriber uses 6GB/month of cellular data, well below the 20GB+ soft-cap of every provider's unlimited plan: https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/28/h…

Is there any reason to upgrade when it works fine and is already expensive?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by CamperBob2 »

walterbell wrote: post #9

Can rural iPhone users manually disable mmWave radios on their local devices, since there will be no use for the beamforming receiver outside of urban areas? On a related topic, 6Ghz WiFi (unlicensed and unmetered) is needed for AR glasses which won't have the battery power for cellular service, https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/23/20707456/6... > Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, HP, Qualcomm, Intel,…

There won't be any need to disable the radio for unused bands. Powering down unused hardware is literally the first thing the engineers do to save battery life.

Edit: can't reply due to rate-limiting, but in principle, all they have to do to search for service is power up the receiver briefly, running at a very low duty cycle. This has no noticeable impact on battery life or any other aspect of the phone's operation.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by TheSoftwareGuy »

rayiner wrote: post #16
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we don't want 5G to be yet another area, like transit and roads, where the US lags woefully behind Europe and Japan I don’t necessarily disagree with the crux of your point about infrastructure. However, in the case of 5G, why do we need to “beat” other countries? What’s the rush? Great article from The Verge titled “Wait, why the hell is the ‘race to 5G even a race?” https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/…

For one thing, 5G is going to be necessary to fully realize things like augmented reality, self-driving cars, and other industries that will make significant economic contributions. Getting started earlier on those is better. For the other--it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed that Copenhagen is building a massive new subway system extension for the same money it's costing my state (Maryland) to build a single suburban…

I feel like I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see “national embarrassment” as a good reason to do anything. It just doesn’t feel like any kind of logical argument about anything.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by stock_toaster »

thr0w4w4yy wrote: post #44
thr0w4w4yy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5G is the absolute last thing standing in the way of self-driving cars.

Wow, do the downvoters wanna explain why I’m wrong even though I work in the autonomous vehicle space? I mean, what do I know?

I assume people misread this:

> 5G is the absolute last thing standing in the way of self-driving cars.

... more as "everything else is working, we are just waiting for 5g then we have self driving"

Instead I read it as "there is so much else not working yet, that 5g is _not even_ on the list of important things", which seems to be more what you were implying?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by tboughen »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #52
walterbell wrote: post #9

Can rural iPhone users manually disable mmWave radios on their local devices, since there will be no use for the beamforming receiver outside of urban areas? On a related topic, 6Ghz WiFi (unlicensed and unmetered) is needed for AR glasses which won't have the battery power for cellular service, https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/23/20707456/6... > Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, HP, Qualcomm, Intel,…

There won't be any need to disable the radio for unused bands. Powering down unused hardware is literally the first thing the engineers do to save battery life. Edit: can't reply due to rate-limiting, but in principle, all they have to do to search for service is power up the receiver briefly, running at a very low duty cycle. This has no noticeable impact on battery life or any other aspect of the phone's operation.

But why would the hardware power down if it is constantly searching for a 5G base station, not find one because of OPs location?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by clairity »

valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

5G is clearly not necessary yet, but it's also nowhere near close to being widely deployed (that will happen over the next 3-5 years). AR, and pervasive computing in general, will eventually make 5G more than a novelty however.

in any case, i personally doubt apple will add 5G in 2020, as they tend to be conservative on wireless tech (including wifi, bluetooth, etc.), waiting 1-2 years after the first rollouts by early adopters (like samsung), to make sure the kinks are worked out all around (equipment makers and carriers too). 2021 is probably more likely for the first 5G iphone, and 2022 will likely be the year you'll want to buy it.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by jotm »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #10
valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

I'm on gigabit fiber and can't saturate it most of the time since now servers become the bottleneck (speed limited since they can't serve everyone at a nice 300Mbps+), I get 40Mbps on 4G, which I never saturate either.

It's good for the evergrowing number of users though, average speed for everyone should improve once most people use 5G. Plus, far future with AR/VR and whatnot.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #41
rayiner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer? I have no idea where this argument comes from. Was 4G useless because carriers stuck with the same data caps we had from the 3G era? Today, the average U.S. smartphone subscriber uses 6GB/month of cellular data, well below the 20GB+ soft-cap of every provider's unlimited plan: https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/28/h…

You couldn’t do what you needed to on 3g since it wouldn’t support video streaming etc. What killer app does 5g have that 4g doesn’t already do? When I’m on my phone and have good LTE strength I never find myself saying “I wish this was downloading faster.” If it was for a home pc sure, but there’s only so much I need to do on a phone. Maybe I’m being really short-sighted and people will VR interact soon on 5g.

My guess is that everyone is itching to deploy 5G in order to expand the surveillance (advertising) industry. It seems pretty clear that they want every object in the world to constantly be observing and reporting images, sound, temperature, atmospheric pressure, humidity, etc. 5G helps to do this silently, without your permission. I can choose whether or not my computer can connect to my IP network. Good luck disconnecting your car or your washing machine when they each have modem chips soldered into their motherboards.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

clairity wrote: post #57
valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

5G is clearly not necessary yet, but it's also nowhere near close to being widely deployed (that will happen over the next 3-5 years). AR, and pervasive computing in general, will eventually make 5G more than a novelty however. in any case, i personally doubt apple will add 5G in 2020, as they tend to be conservative on wireless tech (including wifi, bluetooth, etc.), waiting 1-2 years after the first rollouts by ear…

> AR, and pervasive computing in general...

Except it will be prohibitively expensive for most Americans thanks to only three major carriers competing in the US.

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