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Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

rayiner wrote: post #22
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

> With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer? I have no idea where this argument comes from. Was 4G useless because carriers stuck with the same data caps we had from the 3G era? Today, the average U.S. smartphone subscriber uses 6GB/month of cellular data, well below the 20GB+ soft-cap of every provider's unlimited plan: https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/10/28/h…

You couldn’t do what you needed to on 3g since it wouldn’t support video streaming etc. What killer app does 5g have that 4g doesn’t already do? When I’m on my phone and have good LTE strength I never find myself saying “I wish this was downloading faster.” If it was for a home pc sure, but there’s only so much I need to do on a phone. Maybe I’m being really short-sighted and people will VR interact soon on 5g.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by ksec »

valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

>Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g

Yes and no, while technically 5G is only slightly faster on paper in Sub 6Ghz, In Reality 5G brings much improved capacity to the network, which translate to much better utilization and faster speed. And since most people don't upgrade their phone as quickly as they used to, there will be those who would rather have an 5G phone now rather than wait 3 - 4 years til their next upgrade.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

ckris wrote: post #40
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #28

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> For one thing, 5G is going to be necessary to fully realize things like augmented reality, self-driving cars, and other industries that will make significant economic contributions. How, precisely? 5G won't be anywhere near low-latency enough to actually offload processing for these types of devices. (Not to mention, I'd really worry about what happens when a car loses connection.) > For the other--it's embarrassin…

A lot of the 5g connection to drones, self-driving and artificial intelligence is bullshit. But there is some connection in the sense that they are sort of both unknown. In theory if you had some sort of early self-driving personal rapid transit system, or some freight variety, it would make things easier if you knew you had enough bandwidth and low latency to effectively remote control them.

> it would make things easier if you knew you had enough bandwidth and low latency to effectively remote control them.

I suppose it can't hurt as an additional safety feature, but if we're considering this a requirement for the technology, that makes me very scared, given the inherent unreliability of any type of cellular connection.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by thr0w4w4yy »

thr0w4w4yy wrote: post #21
rayiner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one thing, 5G is going to be necessary to fully realize things like augmented reality, self-driving cars, and other industries that will make significant economic contributions. Getting started earlier on those is better. For the other--it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed that Copenhagen is building a massive new subway system extension for the same money it's costing my state (Maryland) to build a single suburban…

5G is the absolute last thing standing in the way of self-driving cars.

Wow, do the downvoters wanna explain why I’m wrong even though I work in the autonomous vehicle space? I mean, what do I know?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by p1esk »

novok wrote: post #34
olah_1 wrote: post #13

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>fake health concerns Can you explain why it is fake? Non-ionizing radiation does have an effect on us. Just because it isn't melting our organs doesn't mean that we aren't effected negatively by it. The independent research shows this, doesn't it?

These 'concerns' have been around as long as cell phone service has existed for every single frequency and power level. I remember my mom worrying about it back when stuff was at 1G & 2G levels. You have to realize that "high" power radio & other artificial EM transmissions have been going on ever since you were born pretty much everywhere. AM Radio, FM Radio, "wireless" TV, and todays cellphones and wifi base statio…

Ignore downvoters. I wish people worried more about things that can actually kill them, like bad diet, lack of exercise, or UV exposure.

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by thelazydogsback »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #10
valine wrote: post #3

I’m not so sure that most consumers will think “5g is a necessary function.” Without millimeter wave 5g is only slightly faster than 4g, and millimeter wave coverage will be worse than WiFi pretty much everywhere but the most densely populated regions.

With flagship phone sales plummeting, the industry hopes 5g will save them. I really don’t know anyone that has told me they want or need 5g. With current draconian data plans of just a few gb what use would 5g be to the average consumer?

We need 5G to support small 8K displays, which we also don't need...

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by walterbell »

zamadatix wrote: post #32
walterbell wrote: post #9

Can rural iPhone users manually disable mmWave radios on their local devices, since there will be no use for the beamforming receiver outside of urban areas? On a related topic, 6Ghz WiFi (unlicensed and unmetered) is needed for AR glasses which won't have the battery power for cellular service, https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/23/20707456/6... > Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, HP, Qualcomm, Intel,…

iPhones can limit between 4G, 3G, 2G for quite a while now, I'd assume this option would continue on. 60 GHz (802.11ad/802.11ay) is better suites for AR/VR, is already out, and doesn't have interference issues due to physics. 6 GHz should be focusing on devices that need to work at range not ones that can already be served via in-room frequencies.

Would 60Ghz (300-500m for 802.11ay) be competitive in power consumption with VLP 6Ghz (3m)?

Re: Apple will add 5G to 2020 iPhones to compete with Android, analyst says

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Post by adventured »

sandGorgon wrote: post #14

A clear indicator that Apple is focusing on markets other than the US. 5g is deploying in China and India and soon in a lot of countries in SE Asia. The consumption of mobile bandwidth is literally through the roof. Netflix having a 2.5$ monthly mobile-only plan in India is a clear signalling of that.

> A clear indicator that Apple is focusing on markets other than the US. 5g is deploying in China and India and soon in a lot of countries in SE Asia.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion. 5G is deploying across the US right now and has been throughout 2019.

Verizon and AT&T will each have 5G deployed to two dozen major US cities this year. They'll cover dozens more in 2020. The US will rapidly be blanketed with 5G over the next 12-24 months by the three major carriers.

https://www.cnet.com/features/we-ran-5g-speed-tests-on-veriz...

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