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> Security officials quickly arrived to separate the groups
Separation calms the issue but does not punish those who harm others.
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> punish them according to the law It’s lawful and valid to revoke visas of those convicted of violent crimes. Assaulting protesters is a violent crime. Nobody reasonable is advocating for deporting all Chinese students. Just those who assault protesters.
Well, if an internet commenter says so, I guess we can skip the whole due process thing.
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If you don't consider a Trump rally and calls of "fake news" to be part of a propaganda campaign intended to generate these sorts of opinions, I don't know what to tell you. (To be clear, the same is true for Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.)
> Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.) We're in agreement here. The political pop culture is weird and celeb worshiping in the US. Compared to the propaganda coming out of China and is being pushed in other nations, it's like comparing a mountain to a molehill. Yes there is a sub-group that believes and endorses in the pro-trump beliefs. Are they valid/good/true? Who cares. Part of our basic rights means th…
On the other side of the pond, in Canada- https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/hong-kong-protests-... >At Simon Fraser University, a controversy over three “Lennon Walls” — fixtures where people can post notes of support or inspirational wishes — shows how tensions related to increasingly violent protests in Hong Kong may get harder to manage on Canadian campuses. At least one academic is calling on all involved…
'China is your daddy': Backlash against Tibetan student's election prompts questions about foreign influence
Chemi Lhamo, 22, got thousands of hateful comments after becoming U of T Scarborough student president
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-tibet-student-e...
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> punish them according to the law It’s lawful and valid to revoke visas of those convicted of violent crimes. Assaulting protesters is a violent crime. Nobody reasonable is advocating for deporting all Chinese students. Just those who assault protesters.
Well, if an internet commenter says so, I guess we can skip the whole due process thing.
Kids will be kids, but the consul generals words do frighten me. It’s whistle blowing to Chinese kids that it’s okay to incite violence. Patriotism is never an excuse for harming others.
They'll be well primed to consider the Tienanmen Square information available to be anti-China propaganda, won't they? This is hardly unique to China. Go to a Trump rally and see how many people respond positively to an AP fact check of one of his claims.
Only that is easier to see the speck in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye.
Whatever the motivations or nationality this behavior should not be tolerated.
Anecdotally, somebody explained to me how in a school, here in Europe, they did a "day of the countries" and every kid had to bring a flag from their original country. China parents went to the school to protest because there was a Taiwan flag in the exhibit.
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That’s not how propaganda works, I assume the vast majority of these students haven’t left the country until close to adulthood. I completed elementary school in China and the teaching begins in grade 1 for students to believe in communism and patriotism. When you have been raised in that belief for your entire life, changing your belief system is not as simple as “look what other people with a different view say!”.…
This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism. Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.
It's just something the kids say, the school isn't building it up or making it a huge deal or forcing them to believe in it like it's the only thing that matters.
Comparing this to China's brainwashing is a huge slippery slope IMO.
I think in terms of US school problems, this one is pretty low on the list. I would be far more worried about general quality of the schools, curriculum, "active shooter drills" and other insane safety measures, and increasing lack of funding for basics like acceptable landscaping and art/music classes.
Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.
Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?
And if they had to learn about something that bad, they’d learn about it as soon as possible and the government would be powerless to cover it up.
Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.
Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?
Every country is going to have problems. It can never make decisions that satisfy everyone. What matters is the ability to talk about it, like what we're doing here. Politics is always going to be slow, though; that's the tradeoff versus having a dictator.