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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by markovbot »

ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

Maybe this is well known but I didn't understand why you would suggest wearing Winnie the Pooh merch. A quick search lead me to this article, linking here I'm case it is of interest to others:

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sevilo wrote: post #17
psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

That’s not how propaganda works, I assume the vast majority of these students haven’t left the country until close to adulthood. I completed elementary school in China and the teaching begins in grade 1 for students to believe in communism and patriotism. When you have been raised in that belief for your entire life, changing your belief system is not as simple as “look what other people with a different view say!”.…

This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism.

Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by spectramax »

This infuriates me. Intimidation and hostile attitude towards people protesting in a different country is an act of barbarianism and should be condemned internationally. In fact, the way to combat this is to further enrage, fearlessly protest the PRC patriotic machine and "poke" the hornet's nest so to speak. I've taken the pledge to never visit China and avoid Chinese goods because of shit like this. The PRC has a stronghold locally in China but their PR strategy is deeply flawed to get international cooperation, respect and dignity. The west has ideals that allow protesting of ridiculous ideas such as the KKK, sometimes with protection from the police, whilst try doing the same thing in China - last time they did that was in 1989 Tiananmen square which resulted in a massacre.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by guardiangod »

On the other side of the pond, in Canada-

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/hong-kong-protests-...

>At Simon Fraser University, a controversy over three “Lennon Walls” — fixtures where people can post notes of support or inspirational wishes — shows how tensions related to increasingly violent protests in Hong Kong may get harder to manage on Canadian campuses. At least one academic is calling on all involved — both students and universities — to take a more formal, respectful approach.

>The original Lennon Wall, located outside the main Bennett Library, was “repeatedly destroyed and rebuilt, with post-it notes taken down. It’s gone for now,” said Wan.

Here's a personal account-

https://www.reddit.com/r/simonfraser/comments/ciymgc/id_like...

>I visited the Lennon Wall on campus on Friday (on the left side of the library) at 15:30. There were a handful of students speaking in Mandarin, one of them speaking very loudly (we’ll call him A). I started walking up to the wall and examining the notes closely, one other (I assume local) SFU student was doing the same as well. This student started asking if I know anything about what’s going on, so I started having a conversation with her. However, within seconds, A and his friends started walking up close to us and he started loudly interjecting his own opinion on us. It was not until the student that I was having a convo with indicated that she was having a private conversation with me that A had finally stopped. Later on, while I was still on scene, I heard A loudly say (in Mandarin) that, “if protests in Hong Kong had happened here in Vancouver, the RCMP would’ve shot all of them dead”. I found it extremely distasteful that A had said that.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by eximius »

Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. China has every right to control its territories and this includes Hong Kong. If the KKK were to stage an anti-Black protest in an American university they would be rightfully similarly attacked and persecuted. China is only defending its rights. Those HK protesters need to face justice.

Counter protesting is NOT the same as violence. Peaceful protests being attacked are never okay.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by lxe »

codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws?

But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

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Post by monksy »

psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

This is a massive brainwashing that they've done. That's hard to reverse without directly pointing that out. Due to "political sensitivity" that won't be. (People are afraid of standing up to china)

A few things that are going on: (Check up on Serpentza+laowhy86 videos)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tsXtk7psUc

- The Confucius Institute is pushing propaganda campaigns in Unis and in public (Their adverts are spammed everywhere)

- In China, they do have people that are willing to turn you in for "violations" (non-government.. citizens)

-- See the video: they'll even try to interrupt talks in the US to "correct the record"

- Forums. Again SerpentZA has found that they are collecting together in Chinese only forums to doxx and harass. Death threats are common there.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by cmroanirgo »

markovbot wrote: post #21
ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

Maybe this is well known but I didn't understand why you would suggest wearing Winnie the Pooh merch. A quick search lead me to this article, linking here I'm case it is of interest to others: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855

Thanks. Hilarious

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by yumraj »

ekc wrote: post #3

> Ms Fan and Ms Leung say such harassment has also continued off campus. They have found pictures of themselves being shared on Chinese social media sites next to threatening messages. Ms Fan said one comment warned she would "face consequences". If anyone's there, or knows someone who's there who happens to be protesting this, you should probably recommend they wear Winnie the Pooh merchandise, or wear t-shirts ment…

How about "Don't let Winnie the Pooh turn HK into another Tiananmen Square" - 2 birds one stone.

Re: Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by monksy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #8

They'll be well primed to consider the Tienanmen Square information available to be anti-China propaganda, won't they? This is hardly unique to China. Go to a Trump rally and see how many people respond positively to an AP fact check of one of his claims.

Personal opinions (trump rallies) are a far cry from what's going on with the propaganda campaigns.
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