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Hong Kong protests: 'I'm in Australia but I feel censored by Chinese students'

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22
sevilo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how propaganda works, I assume the vast majority of these students haven’t left the country until close to adulthood. I completed elementary school in China and the teaching begins in grade 1 for students to believe in communism and patriotism. When you have been raised in that belief for your entire life, changing your belief system is not as simple as “look what other people with a different view say!”.…

This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism. Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.

> many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state

Haven’t court decisions rendered pupils’ participation in the pledge of allegiance optional in all 50 states?

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Post by SamReidHughes »

psychometry wrote: post #5

Haven't these pro-Beijing students ever tried to access uncensored information online that was denied to them until they arrived in their host countries? Why are they content to continue believe in the propaganda? You'd think that even a casual search for a subject like Tiananmen Square would be a wake-up call.

Do you think Americans are going to hate their country after reading about MKUltra? How about solitary confinement? WMDs in Iraq?

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Post by mullen »

Asooka wrote: post #9

Good. China has every right to control its territories and this includes Hong Kong. If the KKK were to stage an anti-Black protest in an American university they would be rightfully similarly attacked and persecuted. China is only defending its rights. Those HK protesters need to face justice.

That does not make sense at all. The KKK is not a foreign government sending its members to foreign colleges to censor students who are lawfully protesting in their own country.

If Chinese students are offended by what other college students are protesting in their own country, they can do what everyone else does, ignore them.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one reason I decided to go back to America once we had a kid. I’m not a big fan of nationalism. Unfortunately, I’m a bit worried about American schools, many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state, which was definitely not true when I was a kid. It just feels like something China would do but the USA shouldn’t.

> many now require daily pledge of allegiance here in Washington state Haven’t court decisions rendered pupils’ participation in the pledge of allegiance optional in all 50 states?

Yes. But that doesn’t mean they still can’t require time be set aside for it and for it to be socially awkward to opt out.

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Post by lxe »

Is HN exactly like Boomer Facebook now? What's with this "kick them out of the country" rhetoric?

If people are assaulting peaceful protesters, arrest them, charge them, try them, and punish them according to the law. It's literally right there on camera.

But no, please continue inciting outrage and controversy. China bad. Hong Kong good.

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Post by ceejayoz »

monksy wrote: post #30
ceejayoz wrote: post #8

They'll be well primed to consider the Tienanmen Square information available to be anti-China propaganda, won't they? This is hardly unique to China. Go to a Trump rally and see how many people respond positively to an AP fact check of one of his claims.

Personal opinions (trump rallies) are a far cry from what's going on with the propaganda campaigns.

If you don't consider a Trump rally and calls of "fake news" to be part of a propaganda campaign intended to generate these sorts of opinions, I don't know what to tell you.

(To be clear, the same is true for Democratic rallies, too - they're propaganda.)

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Post by 4ntonius8lock »

lxe wrote: post #26
codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

In most countries, not committing crimes is a condition of residence.

When you are a resident, you are a guest to a country and must act accordingly.

Getting kicked out would be the logical extension AFTER a criminal trial and possible incarceration.

Saying we should remove criminal guests from any country, is IMO a logical point.

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Post by rolltiide »

guardiangod wrote: post #24

On the other side of the pond, in Canada- https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/hong-kong-protests-... >At Simon Fraser University, a controversy over three “Lennon Walls” — fixtures where people can post notes of support or inspirational wishes — shows how tensions related to increasingly violent protests in Hong Kong may get harder to manage on Canadian campuses. At least one academic is calling on all involved…

Sounds like any college campus, but instead of some fringe politician’s recruits recruiting impressionable idealist students for quirky causes its chinese students interjecting

Odd, but really not that foreign the way they are acting on a college campus: Aggressively passionate about an ideology nobody here cares about

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Post by monksy »

lxe wrote: post #26
codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

They should be caught, tried and charged under Australian laws. Most countries have in their laws that people will be removed for the major crimes (violence etc).

If you're in a country where you are not a citizen you are a guest. You wouldn't go to someone's house, create a lot of trouble, and then expect to be able to stay do you?

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Post by ginko »

lxe wrote: post #26
codesushi42 wrote: post #4

The violent pro China protestors should be kicked out of Australia. If you violently push your pro authoritarian views in your democratic host country, they have every right to kick you out.

Hot take: or maybe they should be charged with some kind of assault and tried according to the Australian laws? But no, you're right, let's get the pitchforks and torches and have them all 'git out of our 'country!

Presumably one would lead to the other.
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