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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dang »

afjl wrote: post #227
zhengiszen wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has even hacked the largest ISP of another EU member country (Belgium) without consequences. It is not the first time that a member of the 5 eyes alliance is caught red-handed...

Looking at your account, you seem to really enjoy bashing Anglo nations without adding much discussion.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. If you're concerned about abuse of HN, you're welcome to email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it, but not welcome to break the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by benj111 »

subsubsub wrote: post #228
Zenst wrote: post #63

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Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…

> "They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market" Not sure about leaflets (who reads these?), but the main point that people understood leave meant 'leave the customs union and single market' is correct. The idea that people didn't understand this is a useful delusion for those who want to undo the result. Source: Me, I was there. But also a quick google search: https://www.youtube.com/wa…

You're misremembering.

Most leading Brexiteers expected some kind of access to the single market. Farage himself talked about a Norway type arrangement immediately post referendum at least.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-sing...

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-...

I've already linked to the official leaflet, I find it telling that you don't/didn't feel the need to read it.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by hestefisk »

cat199 wrote: post #135
hestefisk wrote: post #17

As a Danish citizen I’m deeply concerned about this and am strongly considering an FoIA request and lawsuit for lack of disclosure... if this is really true.

> FoIA honest question: Does this exist in EU or UK?

Yes. In Denmark we call it ‘aktindsigt’.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by tom_mellior »

AndriyKunitsyn wrote: post #203
tom_mellior wrote: post #31

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Most of the EU agrees that the Strasbourg sessions are dumb, but I challenge you to find a single prominent Brexiteer who cited this (or anything else directly related to France) as a reason to leave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLp7LtXmy68 02:35 - "But once a month, do you know what happens? They load the contents of our offices and papers into big, plastic trunks, and they put those trunks on lorries, and they drive them nearly 400 miles down Europe’s motorways to a French city called Strasbourg where, for four days, the contents of our offices, and our papers, are put into a new office, and the parliament t…

Yeah, I can imagine him mentioning it among many other things, but of course there was no bus driving around with this painted on it. Still, good find.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by vinay427 »

swebs wrote: post #146
vinay427 wrote: post #100

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Right, but it's worth mentioning that unlike the US and perhaps Ireland, countries in the Schengen area are required to issue passports containing fingerprint data, though most (all?) do not have a centralized database of citizens' fingerprints. The Netherlands planned to create a centralized store but it seems to face public opposition.

I'm pretty sure modern USA passports require fingerprint data. They at least have the pokeball symbol signaling that it contains biometrics.

The biometrics symbol indicates some sort of biometric data, which in this case stores the pthograph and personal data displayed in the passport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport#Biometr...

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by subsubsub »

benj111 wrote: post #232
subsubsub wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market" Not sure about leaflets (who reads these?), but the main point that people understood leave meant 'leave the customs union and single market' is correct. The idea that people didn't understand this is a useful delusion for those who want to undo the result. Source: Me, I was there. But also a quick google search: https://www.youtube.com/wa…

You're misremembering. Most leading Brexiteers expected some kind of access to the single market. Farage himself talked about a Norway type arrangement immediately post referendum at least. https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-sing... https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-... I've already linked to the official leaflet, I find it telling that you don't/didn't feel the need to…

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Every person who voted in the referendum felt the need not to read the official leaflet.

My comment was about what a person who voted understood by the time they got to the ballot box.

I didn't make that clear enough and the part of the previous comment I quoted probably helped in this misunderstanding, I apologise.

"What people understood" encompasses the messages that they have received from politicians on both sides of the debate.

The video I linked to shows many politicians from both remain and leave making the point explicit.

I would argue that many, many more people saw these prime time messages than read the official leaflet.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by loopbit »

Symbiote wrote: post #229
loopbit wrote: post #176

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Maybe that data doesn't exist in your country. In mine, the police has the picture and fingerprints of everyone older than 12 years old and any younger person that needed an ID card for whatever reason, travelling being just one. Maybe that information has been shared with that database, maybe it hasn't. I have no way of knowing. Other EU countries have the same level of information about their citizens (and some rec…

I'm downvoting all the comments about "my country" without saying which country that is. No useful discussion can result from comments like this.

A bit late to the discussion, but does it really change that much if, instead of "my country", I say "Spain"?

In this case Spain hasn't done anything wrong (the data gathering for the id cards was done before entering the EU and complies with EU's regulations[0]). Other EU countries gather less or more data according to their specific legislations.

The country in question here is the UK and, to a lesser extent, the US. Specifics about other EU countries are, IMHO, irrelevant.

[0] Another question, for a different discussion, is if they should record all that data.

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