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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dangerface »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #15
draugadrotten wrote: post #4

This begs the question if UK/EU got a copy of all the US citizens ' fingerprints in return. It is possible to commit treason against your own country. Can someone commit treason against the EU? Is it a criminal offense?

The title is misleading. The allegation is not that the UK authorities made a copy and gave it directly to the US authorities. The allegation is that the UK authorities made copies for its own and its contractors use. These contractors include US companies- IBM is one example. It really sounds like poor regard for security measures / lack of ownership and enforcement in the UK rather than anything malicious. It is al…

> It really sounds like poor regard for security measures / lack of ownership and enforcement in the UK rather than anything malicious.

The UK understand exactly how to do Passport security if they did it in a insecure way it was with malicious intent that gives them "plausible" deniability.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by wuliwong »

zoobab wrote: post #72
miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

Is it enough to remove the "all"? I understand not all EU citizens were in the database.

That would seem fine. Possibly add a reference to the Schengen Information System to be specific?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by somecallitblues »

walligatorrr wrote: post #39
hnhg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe just sabotage some federal aspirations but also did a lot to enhance and enlarge the free market aspects. What did France meaningfully contribute so we have a baseline for comparison?

France was a founding member of ECSC proposed by Robert Schuman, french prime minister, created by the Paris treaty and regarded as the premise of nowadays European union and expanded to up to 28 countries. France played an instrumental/leading role in building the very idea of a community of nations in europe. The contributions of that country toward European institutions are literally countless, but let’s name a fe…

Hear hear! Fuck yeah!

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by dangerface »

daviddumenil wrote: post #5

This is a misleading title. The UK government gave access to US companies. There's currently no suggestion that the data moved to the US. More details here: https://euobserver.com/justice/145530

You are posting a false narrative according to your own link.

> UK made illegal copies of classified personal information from a database reserved for members of the passport-free Schengen travel zone.

Why?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by CaptainZapp »

Zenst wrote: post #63
benj111 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how should the UK leave the EU? As the vote wasn't held on the basis of leaving without a deal, and you don't want a 2nd vote to ask an actionable question.

Actually no deal is what the government leaflet that they sent EVERYBODY who voted outlined. They said leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and single market - that was pretty clear, that was what people understood from this and that is how they voted. Alas many for whom the vote did not go as intended, seem to feel that everybody else did not understand what they voted for. For me - staying in a customs un…

Even mader is that the EU laws and article 50 state that any member state must leave without a deal as no deal can be negotiated until....they have left.

Actually a transition period was proposed (and agreed upon in the current deal) for exactly that.

The problem, of course, is that if the UK breaks out without a deal there will be no transition period.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by smcl »

Thiez wrote: post #76
benj111 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out"." The point is that isn't really actionable, it isn't a plan. Hard Brexit was discussed, soft Brexit was discussed, BRINO, Norway plus. Everyone voted for their own preferred Brexit, so now we're in the situation on which Brexit to implement, and no one can agree, so which Brexit to go for? And I would like to point out that no deal Brexit was never seriously discussed i…

> We were though promised that we would be able to leave the EU, keep access to the common market, and save ourselves £350 million a week, in what would be the 'easiest trade deal in human history'. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Surely it isn't the case that more than half the voters really believed Brexit was going to be that easy?

Maybe not all of the Leave voters believed it would be that easy, but enough did. Or alternatively at least bought some of what the Leave campaign were selling - the "we send £350m a week ..." stuff was a big one

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

norswap wrote: post #51
seren wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if I can understand some Brexit fatigue, I believe this is a short-sighted view, even if they are out of the EU, geography won't change, so the UK will have to keep cooperating with continental Europe. A weak UK, that would become the pawn of another super power, would be bad news, for both UK and EU. I think this is sad that UK is leaving but no matter what, they will remain our ally and partner.

If any positive may come out of this debacle, it's to set a precedent that leaving the EU is a bad idea.

No. The positive outcome will be that:

- set in stone that it is possible to leave the EU bureaucracy - set a role model on how not to leave the EU

The fact that the UK has done a piss-poor job of taking advantage of an unprecedented opportunity does not negate the fact that leaving, if done properly, is a once-in-a-lifetime good opportunity.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by CaptainZapp »

_Understated_ wrote: post #42
tomxor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the…

> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyw…

The problem was tht the populace was just asked:

IN or OUT?

None of the unsescapable consequences were mentioned, not was the form of an exit discussed.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by vinay427 »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #59
billsmithaustin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t a database of every US citizen’s fingerprints.

Nor is there in the EU. The only government that has my fingerprint is the US, despite being an Irishman.

Right, but it's worth mentioning that unlike the US and perhaps Ireland, countries in the Schengen area are required to issue passports containing fingerprint data, though most (all?) do not have a centralized database of citizens' fingerprints.

The Netherlands planned to create a centralized store but it seems to face public opposition.

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