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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by karl_schlagenfu »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Which is ironic because some of the reasons Brits want to leave is because of the French, e.g. why does the EU parliament have to spend 100million+ EUR to have the parliament in Strasbourg for 3 days of the month?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by pknight »

yaris wrote: post #16
pknight wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries). "The database will aggregate the details of more than 350 million people, including their identifying information, such as names, passport number, dates of birth, as well as biometrics like fingerprints and facial scans." https://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/3074472/eu-parliament-v...

The link suggests that this was announced in April this year. Do you think all the necessary DBs have already been connected? I would expect it to happen next year earliest.

I suspect it's nowhere near live yet, but it's relevant to this topic. There will be a massive new database and it's a terribly unlikely that this data will not be leaked or shared at some point.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by Zenst »

sgt101 wrote: post #18

The give away is (twitter.com) - nothing from that source is even close to true.

Only recently it was the the best source of the whole VLC issue.

Sure twitter has it's issues, anything of scale with that level of user-base will and you get truths, lies and twisted statistics.

Why the better media outlets have standard about two independent sources (BBC one example), however I'm mindful that you can get second sources that are just an echo-chamber of the first and it steam-rolls from there - VLC a good example again upon that.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by seren »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Even if I can understand some Brexit fatigue, I believe this is a short-sighted view, even if they are out of the EU, geography won't change, so the UK will have to keep cooperating with continental Europe.

A weak UK, that would become the pawn of another super power, would be bad news, for both UK and EU.

I think this is sad that UK is leaving but no matter what, they will remain our ally and partner.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by arethuza »

martin_a wrote: post #19
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

I'm totally with you. I wonder if UK should have left the EU even earlier and saved themselves and us a lot of hassle. I hope that the EU-friendly states might join again, but I think they would need to break up the UK for that, don't they?

It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway.

Edit: To be clear: I mean messy legally/politically - not anything worse.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by hnhg »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Maybe just sabotage some federal aspirations but also did a lot to enhance and enlarge the free market aspects. What did France meaningfully contribute so we have a baseline for comparison?

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by r3bl »

karl_schlagenfu wrote: post #21
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Which is ironic because some of the reasons Brits want to leave is because of the French, e.g. why does the EU parliament have to spend 100million+ EUR to have the parliament in Strasbourg for 3 days of the month?

It's almost as if the EU has 28 members, none of which should have an authoritative say in any of the things the bloc does.

Want something changed? Build a support within a bloc. Don't pretend your opinion is any more valuable than an opinion of any of the other 27 members.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by fmajid »

draugadrotten wrote: post #4

This begs the question if UK/EU got a copy of all the US citizens ' fingerprints in return. It is possible to commit treason against your own country. Can someone commit treason against the EU? Is it a criminal offense?

You can't commit treason against another country, since you never owed them allegiance in the first place.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by tomxor »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

> They want to leave ? Good riddance.

As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the small number of racists and xenophobes you inevitably get in any country who want to cut off the rest of the world and built walls or some shit).

We've been fucked over because we let the vulnerable portion of the other half get manipulated. The only valid vote was no, because the premise was entirely flawed... it's like having a referendum for "Do you want lower taxes" without saying exactly how, but "leave the EU" is even more complex not only in how but what that even means and what that affects which is so broad, it's like taking a huge list of very specific not necessarily related things putting them in a bag and then saying "you wana change this stuff in undefined ways" - fuck no, if you want to watch the world burn at least be up front about it.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by Zenst »

malka wrote: post #10
2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

I will agree the UK has never really embraced the whole EU project as it has become. I also agree that in many votes, the UK has been the stumbling block and with that did anybody in the UK and those wanting to keep the UK in the EU ever asked themselves - what is best for the EU?

I did and that is why I voted leave myself - better for the EU and the UK. That was my reason for voting as I did. Equally, many area's in the EU that need fixing and by the UK leaving, those would stick out and get fixed. Case in point, the UK initially asked for reform within the EU and got palmed off with some concessions and we had a vote on the back of that. Now after the vote - Tusk et all have said, the EU needs reform and Macron is driving for that reform. Ironically that reform won't happen or even start to be discussed, until the UK leaves.

I often get people who go on about the EU and how they are pro-EU and demanding a second vote (probably a third....until they get the result they want...) but if you ask them - what has the UK done for the EU? They stumble.

But as always - comedy foretold the whole story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

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